Headscarve issue with a twist

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by Rudey
Can you read English? Do you know what the word "most" means"

-Rudey
--Kat in da hat?

I can read just fine Rudey, but you cant seem to argue well. You used to be funny, but that ish just ain't funny anymore!

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
I can read just fine Rudey, but you cant seem to argue well. You used to be funny, but that ish just ain't funny anymore!

No, no darling...it's hard to make up for reading mistakes. Look up the word "most". It's useful in Daily English.

-Rudey

[_Opi_]

Reading mistakes? right..ok, Rudey...continue focusing on the "integration of the Arab communities in Europe" when you damn well know that it affects everyone else who wears the Hijab. I guess these non-Arabs are collateral damage then?At the same time, when I redirect your attention, you focus on my reading abilities and asking me ridiculous questions about my views on Arab countries..when we are talking about Europe. Sure, and I have reading problems? 'k Rudey..** **

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
Reading mistakes? right..ok, Rudey...continue focusing on the "integration of the Arab communities in Europe" when you damn well know that it affects everyone else who wears the Hijab. I guess these non-Arabs are collateral damage then?At the same time, when I redirect your attention, you focus on my reading abilities and asking me ridiculous questions about my views on Arab countries..when we are talking about Europe. Sure, and I have reading problems? 'k Rudey..** **

M to the O to the S to the T

-Rudey
--R to the E to the A to the D

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
You think France did it to ban religious symbols? Right. It allows Yarmulkes and it allows crosses unless they are extremely large. I don't remember ever seeing too many school kids in Paris wearing large wooden crosses around their necks. Also the Sikh population has been often allowed to skirt this rule by arguing it is culture, and not religion.

This rule in France was put in place because of a problem with the integration of a large number of Muslim Arab immigrants. And again, France and Germany have great ties to the region where those immigrants came from. In fact, there were several religious leaders in Iran, I believe, that said that since it is France's land they have every right to do that (why wouldn't they since Iran forces you to wear a headscarf no matter if you're Muslim or not).

-Rudey

i was actually talking about Bavaria, not French. As I've noted, the legislation specifically targetted Muslim women's who her headscarve. As I've noted, that particular law may be against the European Constitution since it targeted a specific group of people because of their religion.

Another thing to consider, this is a political discussion forum. We can discuss any issues, although in final analysis it will do little, it does provide a forum where we can discuss issues and we think about it.

ETA: You two, please stop attacking each other.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
i was actually talking about Bavaria, not French. As I've noted, the legislation specifically targetted Muslim women's who her headscarve. As I've noted, that particular law may be against the European Constitution since it targeted a specific group of people because of their religion.

Another thing to consider, this is a political discussion forum. We can discuss any issues, although in final analysis it will do little, it does provide a forum where we can discuss issues and we think about it.

ETA: You two, please stop attacking each other.

What is the difference between France's and Bavaria's legislation?

And nobody attacked. I am teaching her English. I went to ESL so I know all about English and shizznizzle.

-Rudey

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
What is the difference between France's and Bavaria's legislation?

And nobody attacked. I am teaching her English. I went to ESL so I know all about English and shizznizzle.

-Rudey

France's legislation bans all overt religious symbol in public schools, whereas the Bavarian law only bans headscarves worn by muslim woman.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
France's legislation bans all overt religious symbol in public schools, whereas the Bavarian law only bans headscarves worn by muslim woman.

Here's what I said about France: You think France did it to ban religious symbols? Right. It allows Yarmulkes and it allows crosses unless they are extremely large. I don't remember ever seeing too many school kids in Paris wearing large wooden crosses around their necks. Also the Sikh population has been often allowed to skirt this rule by arguing it is culture, and not religion.

This rule in France was put in place because of a problem with the integration of a large number of Muslim Arab immigrants. And again, France and Germany have great ties to the region where those immigrants came from. In fact, there were several religious leaders in Iran, I believe, that said that since it is France's land they have every right to do that (why wouldn't they since Iran forces you to wear a headscarf no matter if you're Muslim or not).

Now Bavaria is just more overt about it in my opinion. Don't you think?

-Rudey

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
Here's what I said about France: You think France did it to ban religious symbols? Right. It allows Yarmulkes and it allows crosses unless they are extremely large. I don't remember ever seeing too many school kids in Paris wearing large wooden crosses around their necks. Also the Sikh population has been often allowed to skirt this rule by arguing it is culture, and not religion.

This rule in France was put in place because of a problem with the integration of a large number of Muslim Arab immigrants. And again, France and Germany have great ties to the region where those immigrants came from. In fact, there were several religious leaders in Iran, I believe, that said that since it is France's land they have every right to do that (why wouldn't they since Iran forces you to wear a headscarf no matter if you're Muslim or not).

Now Bavaria is just more overt about it in my opinion. Don't you think?

-Rudey

Yes, Bavaria is very overt about it. Which is why I think the law will be struck down by the European court. French did it smartly, they banned "overtly" religious symbol. Of course, the overtly portion is subject to your own analysis.

I do believe this particular legislation will be struck down by the European court because it targets a very specific group of people. Female muslims to be exact. Ironically, one can argue that this legislation is sexist.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Yes, Bavaria is very overt about it. Which is why I think the law will be struck down by the European court. French did it smartly, they banned "overtly" religious symbol. Of course, the overtly portion is subject to your own analysis.

I do believe this particular legislation will be struck down by the European court because it targets a very specific group of people. Female muslims to be exact. Ironically, one can argue that this legislation is sexist.

So even though both do the exact same thing, France's is OK simply because they were more diplomatic about it? Perhaps for some.

-Rudey

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
So even though both do the exact same thing, France's is OK simply because they were more diplomatic about it? Perhaps for some.

-Rudey

Frence's legislation did not specifically targeted one particular group of people. Instead, it's ban was against all form of overtly religiuos symbol. Whereas Bavaria's legisation specificaly targetted Muslim women.

I also question the real reason why Bavaria passed this legislation. Edmund Stoiber, the Bavarian premier, is known for his statement against immigrants. In particular, he has disdain against anything Turkish. He is very vocal about keeping Bavaria a Christian state and he is also against EU being expanded into EU.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Frence's legislation did not specifically targeted one particular group of people. Instead, it's ban was against all form of overtly religiuos symbol. Whereas Bavaria's legisation specificaly targetted Muslim women.

I also question the real reason why Bavaria passed this legislation. Edmund Stoiber, the Bavarian premier, is known for his statement against immigrants. In particular, he has disdain against anything Turkish. He is very vocal about keeping Bavaria a Christian state and he is also against EU being expanded into EU.

Except the only people with over religious symbols in France are...Muslims.

-Rudey

[_Opi_]

and in order to integrate these "arab" women, we should strip them down!

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
and in order to integrate these "arab" women, we should strip them down!

Opi stop talking about stripping. Please.

-Rudey

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
Except the only people with over religious symbols in France are...Muslims.

-Rudey

Except what I just wrote is about Bavaria.