Nation Time! (BlackTown.Net)

[RACooper]

Originally posted by PHAShriner/1906
I am but an humble servant who happens to also be a BLACKMAN who is willing to partake on my mission to bring light from darkness. The darkness is the DENIAL that we as a BLACK NATION must get our act(s) together by ceasing to pretend that there is a "proper" time and place. A REVOLUTION has NO etiquette. I am spoken for by a QUEEN, so I hope that answers your question. I am faithful too, and I do not get down with cyber-booty calls. May you have peace and LOVE for me as I so have for you providing you are of my GENETIC composition and so forth. You dig where I am coming from?

Woah... hold on there... now you're starting to sound a wee bit too much like some white supremast militia f*cks I have the pleasure of charging and locking away... paranoia (well unjustified paranoia ), "racial supremacy", the idea of strict "pre-defined" gender roles to advance the "race", and a persecution complex.

Look pride in ones heritage is one thing, but when that pride entails the advocation and dismissal of other's heritage (one big clue is always talk of genetics or purity) then that crosses the line into supremacy and therefore "racial" hatered. But now you are even alluding to revolution instead of social evolution, and one of those entails violence as the main avenue of change. Change must happen but the change must be constructive and forward looking - not constrictive or backwards looking - otherwise the change becomes a demon that feeds on itself and ultimately destroys any hope of positive change.

Limiting yourself to only one viewpoint or mode of change is what it is limiting, and that ultimately holds all people back.

PS> This time try not to be so dismissive of another's thoughts or arguement just because you don't like the colour of their skin... afterall isn't that what your trying to eliminate?

[PHAShriner/1906]

Dear Mr. Cooper. First, I am hereby compelled to state that YOU not I have clearly made a presumptuous assumption, that I am advocating a "specific" type of revolution. Please spare sentencing and judging one before you have ALL of your facts in order. Secondly, my post is in a segment of the site that clearly identifies itself as being for ALPHA MEN an EARNED TITLE synonymous of BLACK MANHOOD of which I believe you not to be blessed with being endowed. Whereas, I respect your viewpoint(s) I really am not concerned w/you and your kind, for I do believe it to be safe for me to assume you and I do not share the same race; and our common interests are perhaps as different as JILL SCOTT/ britney spears, JIM BROWN/george bush (jr. and sr.) Catch my drift? You dig where I am coming from?

[RACooper]

Originally posted by PHAShriner/1906
Dear Mr. Cooper. First, I am hereby compelled to state that YOU not I have clearly made a presumptuous assumption, that I am advocating a "specific" type of revolution. Please spare sentencing and judging one before you have ALL of your facts in order. Secondly, my post is in a segment of the site that clearly identifies itself as being for ALPHA MEN an EARNED TITLE synonymous of BLACK MANHOOD of which I believe you not to be blessed with being endowed. Whereas, I respect your viewpoint(s) I really am not concerned w/you and your kind, for I do believe it to be safe for me to assume you and I do not share the same race; and our common interests are perhaps as different as GILL SCOTT/ britney spears, JIM BROWN/george bush (jr. and sr.) Catch my drift? You dig where I am coming from?

My kind?

Unfortunately I have caught your drift, and I can see that our interests are seperate... I believe in the equality "races" (a useless term really if you have ever taken evolutionary biology or even basic anthropology) which means that no "race" is better than another. You on the other hand seem to be a racist, and a "Black Supremacist" which means you are as ignorant and pathetic as a "White Supremacist" - the only way I think I could possibily make you understand this was if every reference you have made to "Black" was changed to "White".

What worries me is that you aid youth, and this posionous filth is being spread to them....


For the other Alpha Phi Alpha men on the board please note that I don't associate the words of this one individual with your fine organization - keep true to your mission statement and one day all people shall be free.

[PHAShriner/1906]

Mr. Cooper I am pleased to read that you acknowledge we both share different interests. Insofar as your mentionining your belief of "equality" for the races I can only find such quite humorous yet typical of the pluralistic mindsets of individuals such as yourself who have been the direct BENEFACTORS of but one of the most WICKED DEEDS to have ever been FORCED upon MY PEOPLE! Your alluding to the field of anthropology too was quite quaint. I guess you subscribe to the barbaric, parasitic souls of Darwin, Leaky, and even Rhodes not to mention other infidels who claimed and toyed with that which was clearly not theirs. If you choose to poke your chest out with the affirmation that you have "black friends" who you so claim to be ALPHAS that is YOUR issue not mine. I am far too a realist to accept the frivolous notion that since you are friends with them you are to be friends with me. I liken you to being my enemy, because that is how I classify YOUR TYPES! I have a vast working knowledge of EUGENICS coupled w/race relations. If ever you desire to interact on a scholarly level perhaps I can enlighten you to the SHAME you should have and the need for YOUR KIND to repent! Your reference to my being a "racist" I proudly ACCEPT! Yes, I am a RACIST. I am forever attempting to study and become proficient with the subject matter. As for my counseling and mentoring BLACK YOUTH more especially BLACK BOYS I must state for the record that I have a mission to TEACH and REACH them. My son is in the eigth grade and is acquiring a working and realistic knowledge of YOUR KIND along w/your dastardly history. No need to worry, because he will not date your girls. My son is being groomed to be an ALPHAMAN and is being taught by his BLACK FATHER the importance of preserving his race and carrying on his family legacy by understanding that he MUST date only BLACK FEMALES and eventually MARRY A BLACKWOMAN! Thanks for catching my drift. You can be cool with me though but only on a limited level as you are not of ME and I am not of you. ok?

[RACooper]

Right I think it's high time that you are exposed for the biggoted piece of effluence you are...

[Professor]

This has been interesting dialogue - - - clearly, the views expressed are those of critical thinking educated individuals - If nothing else, we can agree to disagree.

[TheEpitome1920]

I have some questions for PHAShriner1906.

1. What constitutes a Black nation. Do you agree that nations are by-products of states? And if so is there a Black State?

2. What is your definition of Blackness/Africaness? It is my belief that race is a social construction that is sustained by Euro-centric capitalism.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by PHAShriner/1906
Mr. Cooper I am pleased to read that you acknowledge we both share different interests. Insofar as your mentionining your belief of "equality" for the races I can only find such quite humorous yet typical of the pluralistic mindsets of individuals such as yourself who have been the direct BENEFACTORS of but one of the most WICKED DEEDS to have ever been FORCED upon MY PEOPLE! Your alluding to the field of anthropology too was quite quaint. I guess you subscribe to the barbaric, parasitic souls of Darwin, Leaky, and even Rhodes not to mention other infidels who claimed and toyed with that which was clearly not theirs. If you choose to poke your chest out with the affirmation that you have "black friends" who you so claim to be ALPHAS that is YOUR issue not mine. I am far too a realist to accept the frivolous notion that since you are friends with them you are to be friends with me. I liken you to being my enemy, because that is how I classify YOUR TYPES! I have a vast working knowledge of EUGENICS coupled w/race relations. If ever you desire to interact on a scholarly level perhaps I can enlighten you to the SHAME you should have and the need for YOUR KIND to repent! Your reference to my being a "racist" I proudly ACCEPT! Yes, I am a RACIST. I am forever attempting to study and become proficient with the subject matter. As for my counseling and mentoring BLACK YOUTH more especially BLACK BOYS I must state for the record that I have a mission to TEACH and REACH them. My son is in the eigth grade and is acquiring a working and realistic knowledge of YOUR KIND along w/your dastardly history. No need to worry, because he will not date your girls. My son is being groomed to be an ALPHAMAN and is being taught by his BLACK FATHER the importance of preserving his race and carrying on his family legacy by understanding that he MUST date only BLACK FEMALES and eventually MARRY A BLACKWOMAN! Thanks for catching my drift. You can be cool with me though but only on a limited level as you are not of ME and I am not of you. ok?

So you are justifying hatred based on actions of the past or skin colour?

Look if I changed all references in your post above from Black to Aryan - do you know who or what you sound like? The sad fact is that you are judging people based solely on skin colour and not character... something that you rage against in 'my kind' (ie. "Whites").

So I have some questions for you:
1 - Do you feel that "race" is a marker of a person's character?

2 - Are some some "Black" people, better ("Black-er") than others - based on their heritage?

3 - What if your son falls in love with a women of mixed heritage (ie. daughter of a 'black' and 'white' couple)?

4 - Finally is your son learning when and where racism to justify slavery first began?

[SigmaRhoyalty2K1]

Originally posted by PHAShriner/1906
SigmaRhoyalty, I come in peace and must state my respect insofar your viewpoint and interpretation of my provided site blacktown.net. Be it known, that your interpretation of my site placing blame on the blackwoman is not the premise of this here blackman. Instead, I have provided a vessel for subjective interpretations to be had. There is no denying that their exists conflict between both sexes of the blackrace, but I dare to believe that the BLACKMAN is to be given an outlet to dialogue and provide constructive let alone subjective criticism and analysis. As a BLACKWOMANOLOGIST I can attest, that I have conducted numerous tests and can provide empirical evidence to my findings that will respect your interpretation but agree from a BLACKMAN standpoint that a bullseye has been hit. My site is for the BLACKMAN about the BLACKMAN not the BLACKWOMAN. The BLACKWOMAN will too be examined in the future, and I will embrace the work of Sisters like Queen Sharrazzad Ali and perhaps yourself providing you are willing to contribute your input. Lastly, you stated you advocate uplifting the race. Can you be more specific? Did you mean a multicultural embracing race or the upliftment of the BLACKRACE? Ptah-Hotep

I see nothing wrong with giving the black man an opportunity to commune with others of like minds. However, I don't believe the black family can be re-established without the black woman being involved. As a black woman, I support my brothers but by the looks of your site, I don't see that same support in us.

I respectfully decline any further comments on the subject. I will only say this, we need more black unity. If we can't work together, we are hopeless.

SigmaRhoyalty2K1

[PHAShriner/1906]

SigmaRhoyalty, you are not getting off that easy! Your insight and contribution is ALWAYS welcomed by the TRUE BROTHERS OF THE TRIBE! As stated, the web-work's intent is not to split, divide, or push the BLACK QUEEN away. I am solliciting FEEDBACK, and constructive criticism. Your contribution is welcomed from the BLACK QUEEN'S perspective, but for now I am concentrating on the BLACKMAN. Get back here ASAP, and get your complimentary POODLE I have for you!

[SigmaRhoyalty2K1]

I know you are not trying to bribe me with poodles?? Although I know there's no poodle in this for me, from the tone of your website, it appears that my view does not matter. The site is for black men ONLY. My opinion is not going to change anything. The bottom line is we all have to do what we think is necessary to reach our goal. I would prefer to work with others of like minds.

That's all you're gonna get out of me... sorry...

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by PHAShriner/1906 May you have peace and LOVE for me as I so have for you providing you are of my GENETIC composition and so forth.

Then you have love for me?

[The Original Ape]

I think what may be helpful is if we had a vocabulary in place so that some of us may then know what is trully being said. Some people are unaware that the American English Lanquage evolves, like everything else. The term "racist" has a negative connotation that is widely held; however, one can be a positive racist as well. A positive racist is one whose attention is completely focused on the uplift of his/her own group: so focused in fact that they don't have time to denounce any other. I define myself as such; and if I were to attempt to classify my brother PHAShriner/1906, I would do so likewise.

Attending to the needs of our ethnic group does not make us "racist"; in fact many of the 'wider society' wish we would address our own needs and stop waiting on the government to do it for us!

I understand the concern RACooper states; however, I think it is misplaced because my brother is addressing some of the problems my people face.

[Honeykiss1974]

Although I can agree with the notion that we need to return to traditional family values and seek out ways to keep the black family intact (because once we lost that battle, we really did lose the war). However as someone stated earlier, I don't think the blame solely lies on the shoulder of black women.

Although I don't agree with your website, I guess its good that you're at least trying to do something, regardless if i agree with it or not.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by The Original Ape
I understand the concern RACooper states; however, I think it is misplaced because my brother is addressing some of the problems my people face.

I see... so using derogatory statements or naming someone the 'enemy' based solely on skin colour is "positive racism"? Please... this is the same tired arguement that the Nazi party first used when they came into power - that they were so focused on the welfare and betterment of the "aryan" people that they weren't even concerned about other "peoples"...

I'm sorry but I don't buy your arguement that "positive" racism exists - that you become so focused on your own ethnic group, that you exclude and denegrate others not of your group... finally it feeds on itself further and then you start labelling those within your group as "good" and "bad", and placing greater value on subsets within your ethnic group.

All of this is unfortunately evidenced by the crap posted on your "brother's" website - revistionist history, gentic linkage of "whites" to Satan and/or lizards, use of the term "race traitor" towards those who don't believe what he's preaching, statements on how "Blackmen" are the leaders of the "race" and "Blackwomen" must serve them, homophobic statements, and so on... just go through his entire site and tell me if you can still be an apologist for the actions of a hatemonger...