What's up Ay Phi Que

[Diva06Sweet]

what you know about that skegee pride?
lol
whats up frat

[naraht]

Originally posted by Senusret I
Ditto. If your chapter doesn't have any traditions that say otherwise, you should be safe doing whatever you feel looks best. There is no national standard in APO when it comes to crossing jacket protocol.

Um. For there to be a National Standard on Crossing Jacket Protocol, more than 3 or 4 members of the National Board (non-PNP) would have to have a clue what crossing jackets are.

Heck, the Fraternity doesn't even have a single National Policy on use of the Greek Letters for Petitioning Groups (or if they have, its been in the last year).

Randy

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by naraht
Um. For there to be a National Standard on Crossing Jacket Protocol, more than 3 or 4 members of the National Board (non-PNP) would have to have a clue what crossing jackets are.

HA! So true.

[Quala67]

yes, Randy, as a matter of fact - legislation was passed in 1994 about letters and Petitioners, and is codified in the Board Policy Manual.

[naraht]

Is it still at Regional Director's discretion?

Randy

[emb021]

Originally posted by naraht
Is it still at Regional Director's discretion?

Randy

No. The M&E PD/Committee sets down the policy. Don't recall seeing anything said about RDs having a say in this in Policy Manual.

[emb021]

Originally posted by Senusret I
Ditto. If your chapter doesn't have any traditions that say otherwise, you should be safe doing whatever you feel looks best. There is no national standard in APO when it comes to crossing jacket protocol.

(I had never heard of the white jacket = prophyte/legacy tradition...I don't knock it, though)

Ok, I know what a 'legacy' is, but what is a 'prophyte'?

[GoldnBlue2004]

A neophyte is someone new to an organization/group. A prophyte is someone who brings a neophyte into an organization/group.

[emb021]

Originally posted by GoldnBlue2004
A neophyte is someone new to an organization/group. A prophyte is someone who brings a neophyte into an organization/group.

Actually, in APO a neophyte is a pledge who has completed all the requirements and just needs to go thru the ceremony to become a new Brother.

[naraht]

Unfortunately, in Alpha Phi Omega I have seen *several* different definitions of neophyte.

1) Those who have completed all of the requirements for initiation except for the vote of the brothers.
2) Those who have completed all of the requirements for initiation including the vote of the brothers, but have not yet initiated.
3) Those who have initiated and as brothers not yet had a pledge class initiate.


Randy

[emb021]

Originally posted by naraht
Unfortunately, in Alpha Phi Omega I have seen *several* different definitions of neophyte.

1) Those who have completed all of the requirements for initiation except for the vote of the brothers.
2) Those who have completed all of the requirements for initiation including the vote of the brothers, but have not yet initiated.
3) Those who have initiated and as brothers not yet had a pledge class initiate.


Randy

#1 & #2 are pretty close. I've always gone with #2. My reading of the National Pledging Standards, you don't see the term 'neophyte' until point #20 about neophyte initation into membership thru the initiation ceremony. The term is not used when speaking about the voting by Brothers, so to me #1 doesn't count.

#3 doesn't make sense to me. What is a "pledge class initiate"?

[Quala67]

From the latest edition of the Board Policy Manual, Appendix E "Formation and Reactivation of Chapters"

INTEREST AND PETITIONING GROUP RIGHTS:

1. The use of Alpha Phi Omega recruiting literature, information, armbands and insignia as specified by the Membership and Extension Committee.
2. Identification as members of an Alpha Phi Omega Interest or Petitioning group.

The words “Alpha Phi Omega” or “AFW” may be used as long as the group identifies themselves as an Interest or Petitioning Group.

INTEREST AND PETITIONING GROUP RESTRICTIONS:

1. All publicity regarding Interest and Petitioning Group activities shall clearly identify the organization as an Interest or Petitioning Group.
2. Alpha Phi Omega jewelry, apparel or related items which indicate individual membership shall not be worn by Interest Group members. Petitioning Group members are encouraged to wear the official Petitioning Group pin, separately or with Alpha Phi Omega apparel, as an indication of their status within the Fraternity.

(Items excluded from the above restriction include those on which the Fraternity name or symbols are used in a primarily decorative manner, including program and event-specific apparel, insignia and related souvenir items.)

[naraht]

Originally posted by emb021
#1 & #2 are pretty close. I've always gone with #2. My reading of the National Pledging Standards, you don't see the term 'neophyte' until point #20 about neophyte initation into membership thru the initiation ceremony. The term is not used when speaking about the voting by Brothers, so to me #1 doesn't count.

#3 doesn't make sense to me. What is a "pledge class initiate"?

Sorry, I missed the "s" at the end of that. I meant
A Pledge class initiated after them. So that a brother who initiated in December of 2004 would be a neophyte until the spring 2005 pledge class initiates in April 2005 and afterwards would be a prophyte. A neophyte is also considered a prophyte if a year has passed since initiation.

For an example of that in a glossary check out http://www.sru.edu/pages/9417.asp or http://members.fortunecity.com/greek...greekterms.htm


Randy

[emb021]

Originally posted by naraht
Sorry, I missed the "s" at the end of that. I meant
A Pledge class initiated after them. So that a brother who initiated in December of 2004 would be a neophyte until the spring 2005 pledge class initiates in April 2005 and afterwards would be a prophyte. A neophyte is also considered a prophyte if a year has passed since initiation.


Randy

Ah.

Most chapters use the term "NIB" (newly inducted Brother) for that group.

[naraht]

Originally posted by Quala67
From the latest edition of the Board Policy Manual, Appendix E "Formation and Reactivation of Chapters"

2. Alpha Phi Omega jewelry, apparel or related items which indicate individual membership shall not be worn by Interest Group members.

Thanx!

This would include things like letter jackets, right?

Would it make sense to add the following?
Symbols indicating chapter letters to be given to the IG/PG at (re)chartering are prohibited.

I know that there is a discouragement of PGs refering themselves as Iota Gamma Petitioning group, they should instead refer to themselves as Towson U. Petitioning Group even though they are reactivating Iota Gamma. This would add it to the clothing rules.

Randy