Former Sisters Forming a New Group

[fifi225]

Originally posted by Tom Earp


Maybe it is time to look unto yourselves to see what the problem is, not at them?

Wow. There are lots of reasons a woman would disaffiliate from her national GLO, finances being one of the top ones from what I understand. Also, it may have nothing to do with the women in the chapter, often times you wind up with "malcontents" in any group. I've seen this sort of thing happen at UCF a few times, and in all honesty, I've never seen the organization's actions to be at fault. I'm not saying that's always the case, just more often then not.

If someone is unhappy in their GLO, and they choose to leave, that's not necessaraly a reflection on the GLO, or even the chapter.

[azdtaxi]

Originally posted by fifi225
Wow. There are lots of reasons a woman would disaffiliate from her national GLO, finances being one of the top ones from what I understand. Also, it may have nothing to do with the women in the chapter, often times you wind up with "malcontents" in any group. I've seen this sort of thing happen at UCF a few times, and in all honesty, I've never seen the organization's actions to be at fault. I'm not saying that's always the case, just more often then not.

If someone is unhappy in their GLO, and they choose to leave, that's not necessaraly a reflection on the GLO, or even the chapter.

Thank you!

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by azdtaxi
Okay so its actually like a Latina sorority that is national but not panhellenic ... maybe that explains it better ... I am alum now but I know that some of the girls are upset because they didn't think this could happen and as I tried to explain to them why it could it was upsetting that this Latina national org wouldnt care that at one point they were in a national panhellenic sorority.

I don't really see a difference. Some national groups (whether they are Latina, NPC, whatever) don't get upset that some potential members were formally local members... and sometimes it even works backwards. I'm almost certain there may have been instances somewhere where a member of a national sorority disaffiliates and joins a local that takes them in knowing that they were former members of another organization.

It even works in the fraternity world (in a somewhat different way)... some IFC men may disaffiliate and even join another IFC even though the new group knows they were former members of another IFC org.

I'm not trying to say that it is always right.. sometimes people will leave because it turns out to not be a fit.. sometimes it's the finances... sometimes they want "more greek looking letters" (like someone posted earlier)... for whatever reason it didn't work out... why would you want to prevent them from finding happiness in another organization of a different type? (i.e. national NPC to national Latina or whatever) That's why NPC has rules stating that if a member decided to not initiate, she may pursue membership with another NPC organization... she has to wait a while, but they allow her to find a place where she will be an asset to her chapter... that way everyone is happy.

Someone earlier in the thread said they don't want anyone "sorority hopping" to be members of *their* sorority, but unless their national or local org. has very explicit rules about it, chances are in reality it has probably happened. Are they any less of a sister to you if you knew they once belonged to another sorority whether it be local, national, regional? I would hope not.

[azdtaxi]

This girls were intiated and in some cases were members for more than a year of our group.

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by azdtaxi
This girls were intiated and in some cases were members for more than a year of our group.

I realize that.. but in some cases initated members of NPC (or locals or Latina groups) disaffiliate... and after awhile they may join another sorority - whether it's on that campus, another campus, an existing sorority, or they may start a new one.

My question was basically why is it different if they are former members of locals or nationals?

Originally posted by azdtaxi:
Okay so its actually like a Latina sorority that is national but not panhellenic ... maybe that explains it better ... I am alum now but I know that some of the girls are upset because they didn't think this could happen and as I tried to explain to them why it could it was upsetting that this Latina national org wouldnt care that at one point they were in a national panhellenic sorority.

I just ask because I've seen several times that people seem more passionate about it if they were members of nationals in a different conference and are joining a national in another conference. I don't really see a difference (if they were national or local former members).

What if a former member of a national Latina organization disaffiliated for whatever reasons and pursued membership into your sorority? While it is up to the chapter to extend bids, the national organization does not have rules against extending bids to former members of national Latina (or local or regional) sorority members. Please correct me if I'm wrong, because obviously I am not an AXiD, but my general guess would be that they do not. If the national had a big problem with it(on either side -- the national Latina org. or the NPC org), I am sure they would have thought about it and have some kind of rule against it.

[ms_gwyn]

Originally posted by carol9a
As someone who plans to rush a national hispanic-based sorority next semester, I sort of DO find this a little upsetting. What, no grace period? Isn't this even a little disrespectful of the NPC sororities, who I KNOW put in ALOT of time into their recruitment process and initiation?
This is why hispanic based sororities need a national conference just like the NPC, to regulate stuff like this.

Both Hispanic Based Fraterities and Sororities do have a national conference: NALFO (National Association of Latino Fraternal Organizations )

[Tom Earp]

That was the reason that I asked the question and made the statement that I did.

A girl leaving doesnt sound bad at all, it can and does happen.

But in reading this it was several and some who had been members for at least a year.

Again, where does the problem lay? Was it just them or the Chapter?

[kddani]

Originally posted by PGHLady
PGHLady

Welcome to GC! It's always good to see another Pittsburgher what part of the burgh are you from?

Hope to see you around GC more! Us Pgh GCers get together every once in awhile, maybe you could join us sometime!

Hail to Pitt!

[PM_Mama00]

Ok well here's our story.

Once upon a time there were a few girls who wanted to do things in our chapter that we could not do. Since they couldn't get their way, they left. It was quite unfortunate, seeing as though one was my Phi Mom and had been in for quite some time, and the other was my Big Sis. One of the other girls, who I had been good friends with, was a trouble maker, and the other just decided to follow.

They decided to form a group where they could do whatever they want. The name? Kappa Omega Chi. Guess what that spells out. KOX. Yep. They did some racy things, such as have a raffle for a little Christmas tree, filled with sex toys and condoms. In school, at a fundraising booth. We heard that they received money from the school, and bought alcohol to throw a party.

The originators are gone, and they have actually gotten some pretty nice, respectable girls in there. We don't have the rivalry we had with them before, although there will always be some type there. We actually get along now though, which is nice. They are gaining respect within our Greek system too.

[Tom Earp]

pm_mama, did they dissafiliate?

Carol9A, what do you mean by no regulations over recruitment? Lost me there.

ariesrising, I would think it would depend on what each National has in their bylaws. Usually, if it is a Social Group No. If honory or service type Org. then it is welcomed.

Basically, I think it comes down to Social Groups.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
pm_mama, did they dissafiliate?

Carol9A, what do you mean by no regulations over recruitment? Lost me there.

ariesrising, I would think it would depend on what each National has in their bylaws. Usually, if it is a Social Group No. If honory or service type Org. then it is welcomed.

Basically, I think it comes down to Social Groups.

Yes they did. We had problems with them because of the reason they started up.

[Tom Earp]

Guess it lays on their head and not Phi Mu Chapter. There will always be some of that type who can run a Good Chapter into the ground. To bad so sad, they are gone, Not.

Can relate even though I was not in college at the Time.

Had a President who would place people on Suspension. He had NO RIGHT, but many did not know this. I am still trying to find these Brothers to get them back in good standing when actually they were not in bad standing except for a Jerk Brother!

[honeychile]

Originally posted by kddani
Welcome to GC! It's always good to see another Pittsburgher what part of the burgh are you from?

Hope to see you around GC more! Us Pgh GCers get together every once in awhile, maybe you could join us sometime!

Hail to Pitt!

Cosign!!! You certainly don't have to have gone to Pitt to get together with us (right, 33Girl? ); it would be great to meet you!!

[Tom Earp]

carol9a, maybe it is because the M and L GLOs are so new and not recognized by the existing Groups?

But, remember, it is nice to work within a frame work.

Well, in thinking on this for a few, maybe it is better to not be held down by restrictinons where Sororitys cannot expand because of said Rules.

I have Brothers not only in My Chapter that I have met and they were Black, White Yellow or Red and would tell me that.

My Response was, :Oh excuse Me, I thought you are a LXA:! Color, what is your color except Purple Green and Gold, our Colors.

That has been the key point to me.


If an idividual does not feel comfortable with any Current GLOs, they will look for something else. True?

[33girl]

Originally posted by azdtaxi
So we had a couple of sisters for different reasons drop out of our chapter. Now a year later, they are starting a chapter of a latina sorority. They were intiated members of our chapter. Our greek advisor is suporting them in this new effort even though she knows they were former members of our group. I know there is no rule on this because the new group they are trying to form is not panhellenic but it just seems shady. What do ya'll think?

Let them go.

If the school and the other sorority's nationals are OK with it, there's really nothing you can do about it. Wish them well. Trying to hold them back or complaining about it will just make whatever made them disaffiliate 100 times worse.

PGH lady, if someone is for example a DZ at Pitt, transfers to CMU and joins the local there, and then the local decides to go national with ZTA, she cannot join ZTA. If the local decides to go DZ, she could be an active member again.