QUESTION...???

[ChocolateKiss3000]

Originally posted by korkscru:

My sister said something really interesting. She said that since BEYONCE' needs the spotlight soooo much, why don't she just go SOLO??? Good question. Why don't she???

Beyonce will never go solo! She needs the help of so called "other" members in a group to back her up. I know I won't buy her album. It wil be straight downloaded off the internet and burned on a CD.

Now my thing is that I wonder how will they bounce back from all of this. Destiny's Child will perform on BET's 1st annual award show on the 19th so it will be a treat to see what will happen.

If anyone listened to Russ Parr, Olivia Fox said from her sources it was Beyonce's sister Solange that said "WHATEVER!" but in a ghetto way. Very funny! (By the way did anyone listen to the "Bad Black Porno Theater" this morning!!!! H-I-L-A-R-I-U-O-S!!!)


Another thing I wonder if anyone noticed. On Beyonce's Feria commercial when they do a tight shot on her face you can see her roots. Now you know when you haven't washed your hair in a while it gets fuzzy and whatnot. But you can see little strands of hair sticking up. You can see that in her hair. Somebody could of handled that better. Pressed it, cut it, geled it, WHATEVER!

I'm not hating... just seeing what I see!

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[ChaosDST]

It's funny we would be having this discussion. My co-worker insists that the crowd was booing. I thought they were cheering and hollering for them. I'm trying to figure out why DC was a half-time performance. I don't know if the NBA is going to start having half-time performances during the Finals, or if Columbia records was really adament about publicizing DC, and requested that they be allowed to perform.
I mean, DC is EVERYWHERE these days.
Yes, Solange, Beyonce's sister, was the dancer with the long red braids.

[CrimsonAngel2001]

They did get booed and they should have known better than to have on lakers stuff in Philly because 76er fans are no joke. They might not have gotten treated so bad if they all had on NBA jerseys or just there regular DC type outfits....and like ChocolateKiss3000 said Russ Parr was hilarious talking about them

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[gold99gyrl]

I compared them to the Supremes because they have been compared to the Supremes so much that it made since to me. Like I said before, Beyonce's daddy is the manager, of course she is going to get the extra perks. It may not be fair but it is reality.

As far as drama coming up with the group in the future, I don't think so because they finally have two members that are simply, "Happy to be there." Kelly is Beyonce's cousin and was practically raised by her parents so she will stay as long as they want her to. As far as Michelle, she is a girl from a small town from what I understand who never thought she would leave her church choir, so she probably won't raise hell.

Matthew knew exactly what he was doing. The past two members put too much fuel to the fire so he got rid of them and what do hear about them, nothing.

I don't think that it is fair, but the members must be ok with it. I would, making nine million dollars to sing, live in a nice house, wear cute clothes (sometimes). Who wouldn't.

That is just my opinion!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by korkscru:
Now Gold99Gyrl, I find it funny that you would compare Destiny's Child to Dianna Ross and the Supremes. Frankly, in my opinion, one would have to consider the comparision to be negative in a lot of ways. Yes, Dianna Ross was the "lead" singer in the group, but more focus was put on her AFTER the group's name was changed (they were originally just "The Supremes"). They became "DIANNA ROSS & the Supremes" (conincidently) AFTER rumors surfaced about her sleeping with Barry Gordy. And now years later we find that to be true because one of Dianna Ross' daughters belongs to Barry Gordy. Look at all of the DRAMA that has surfaced because of how the other members of that group were treated. Mary Wells is extremely bitter and she has told ALL (and I believe it).

I wouldn't be shocked to hear a similar story about Destiny's Child in the future. Don't be surprised to hear that Kelly or Michelle are bitter about something that is going on in that group.

[the411]

Originally posted by korkscru:
Sisterfriends:
(I'm not a big fan of this group).

Personally, I can not STAND the group, namely their "music", lyrics, and videos. I find their music to be negative, derogatory, and in many ways setting us back a few years. And (on a "petty" note) how long is Beyonce gonna try to convince us that that's her real hair?

But that's just my opinion.

And I'm out!


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[korkscru]

Gold99Gyrl, I understand what you're saying and I respect the fact that you (along with others) actually like DC. MY point is that SOME things don't seem to be right or fair with this group. When you are in a managerial position, you are supposed to be OBJECTIVE (even if your child, brother, sister, etc.) is a part of that group. You mean to tell me that you think that Beyonce's father is JUSTIFIED in making HIS DAUGHTER the main attraction of this group when the others have talent that is as good as or maybe even better than hers? I don't see how ANYONE can justify that.

Now the group IS talented. But what I'm saying is that Beyonce' Knowles is only ONE-THIRD of that talent. Who's to say that by rightly dividing the spotlight amongst the group that they wouldn't have even MORE record sales (and FANS for that matter).

I've watched a lot of groups come and go. And it would be understandable if Beyonce' was the ONLY one in this group that could blow. But from what I hear, Michelle and Kelly can blow just as good as Beyonce' can.

Now about these MILLIONS that this group is making. It's funny that MOST of those MILLIONS is going to the KNOWLES family. Beyonce' gets her cut. Her father gets HIS cut. And her mother gets HER cut. Now you tell me if THAT don't sound fishy.

From what I know, Kelly actually is NOT related to Beyonce' at all (I don't know if this is true, but I DO recall hearing that). And of course, they (Michelle and Kelly) may be content in their place RIGHT NOW. But what happens when they decide that they want to expand their horizons? Most groups get along just fine in the BEGINNING. However, they END UP parting because SOMEONE didn't want to give up CONTROL. And that is what THIS is all about. It's like Beyonce' is being catered to with no regards for her fellow group members. The reason that the first two members left was because they wanted to bring in their OWN MANAGEMENT and Beyonce's father was not with that. What's up with that? What was going on so that these girls felt that they needed someone else to represent them?

Believe me, I didn't arrive at my impressions about DC over night. This opinion was made after hearing as much about the situation as possible.

REALLY, I am not hating on this group. I'm all about African-Americans (particularly women) making it big. But...I'm also about FAIRNESS, INTEGRITY, HONESTY, SELFLESSNESS, AND COHESION.

[gold99gyrl]

I could not have said it better myself. Yes I am a fan of Destiny's Child, but No I don't feel that the Knowles family is justified in anything that they are doing that is unfair to the other members of the group. You are correct, as a manager you have to be objective and fair in all aspects of your business. But I also feel that Matthew Knowles is a small part of how Beyonce is glorified. The media has portrayed them as "Beyonce and Destiny's Child". It is has always been that way with groups, especially successful female groups that one person is picked as the "spokesperson." Don't get me wrong, her father is the final decision maker when it comes to extra activities such as commercials, movies, etc.

I agree that they are very talented and you are right, oneday Kelly and Michelle may decide that they are going to move on and they have the right to do that, but right now, they are young, successful and in their Glory.

Like you said, groups have come and gone and it will continue to be that way, but right now Destiny's Child is considered the "hottest" female group in the industry. And if Kelly and Michelle like their situation, I am not here to judge. Although I think that many things that go on looks "fishy" I don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

I know that you are not hating, this forum was created for us to voice our opinions. I like their music because I think it sounds good and they can sing and I like to see young Black women making it.

(This has been an interesting conversation!)

Originally posted by korkscru:
Gold99Gyrl, I understand what you're saying and I respect the fact that you (along with others) actually like DC. MY point is that SOME things don't seem to be right or fair with this group. When you are in a managerial position, you are supposed to be OBJECTIVE (even if your child, brother, sister, etc.) is a part of that group. You mean to tell me that you think that Beyonce's father is JUSTIFIED in making HIS DAUGHTER the main attraction of this group when the others have talent that is as good as or maybe even better than hers? I don't see how ANYONE can justify that.

Now the group IS talented. But what I'm saying is that Beyonce' Knowles is only ONE-THIRD of that talent. Who's to say that by rightly dividing the spotlight amongst the group that they wouldn't have even MORE record sales (and FANS for that matter).

I've watched a lot of groups come and go. And it would be understandable if Beyonce' was the ONLY one in this group that could blow. But from what I hear, Michelle and Kelly can blow just as good as Beyonce' can.

Now about these MILLIONS that this group is making. It's funny that MOST of those MILLIONS is going to the KNOWLES family. Beyonce' gets her cut. Her father gets HIS cut. And her mother gets HER cut. Now you tell me if THAT don't sound fishy.

From what I know, Kelly actually is NOT related to Beyonce' at all (I don't know if this is true, but I DO recall hearing that). And of course, they (Michelle and Kelly) may be content in their place RIGHT NOW. But what happens when they decide that they want to expand their horizons? Most groups get along just fine in the BEGINNING. However, they END UP parting because SOMEONE didn't want to give up CONTROL. And that is what THIS is all about. It's like Beyonce' is being catered to with no regards for her fellow group members. The reason that the first two members left was because they wanted to bring in their OWN MANAGEMENT and Beyonce's father was not with that. What's up with that? What was going on so that these girls felt that they needed someone else to represent them?

Believe me, I didn't arrive at my impressions about DC over night. This opinion was made after hearing as much about the situation as possible.

REALLY, I am not hating on this group. I'm all about African-Americans (particularly women) making it big. But...I'm also about FAIRNESS, INTEGRITY, HONESTY, SELFLESSNESS, AND COHESION.

[gold99gyrl]

I could not have said it better myself. Yes I am a fan of Destiny's Child, but No I don't feel that the Knowles family is justified in anything that they are doing that is unfair to the other members of the group. You are correct, as a manager you have to be objective and fair in all aspects of your business. But I also feel that Matthew Knowles is a small part of how Beyonce is glorified. The media has portrayed them as "Beyonce and Destiny's Child". It is has always been that way with groups, especially successful female groups that one person is picked as the "spokesperson." Don't get me wrong, her father is the final decision maker when it comes to extra activities such as commercials, movies, etc.

I agree that they are very talented and you are right, oneday Kelly and Michelle may decide that they are going to move on and they have the right to do that, but right now, they are young, successful and in their Glory.

Like you said, groups have come and gone and it will continue to be that way, but right now Destiny's Child is considered the "hottest" female group in the industry. And if Kelly and Michelle like their situation, I am not here to judge. Although I think that many things that go on looks "fishy" I don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

I know that you are not hating, this forum was created for us to voice our opinions. I like their music because I think it sounds good and they can sing and I like to see young Black women making it.

(This has been an interesting conversation!)

Originally posted by korkscru:
Gold99Gyrl, I understand what you're saying and I respect the fact that you (along with others) actually like DC. MY point is that SOME things don't seem to be right or fair with this group. When you are in a managerial position, you are supposed to be OBJECTIVE (even if your child, brother, sister, etc.) is a part of that group. You mean to tell me that you think that Beyonce's father is JUSTIFIED in making HIS DAUGHTER the main attraction of this group when the others have talent that is as good as or maybe even better than hers? I don't see how ANYONE can justify that.

Now the group IS talented. But what I'm saying is that Beyonce' Knowles is only ONE-THIRD of that talent. Who's to say that by rightly dividing the spotlight amongst the group that they wouldn't have even MORE record sales (and FANS for that matter).

I've watched a lot of groups come and go. And it would be understandable if Beyonce' was the ONLY one in this group that could blow. But from what I hear, Michelle and Kelly can blow just as good as Beyonce' can.

Now about these MILLIONS that this group is making. It's funny that MOST of those MILLIONS is going to the KNOWLES family. Beyonce' gets her cut. Her father gets HIS cut. And her mother gets HER cut. Now you tell me if THAT don't sound fishy.

From what I know, Kelly actually is NOT related to Beyonce' at all (I don't know if this is true, but I DO recall hearing that). And of course, they (Michelle and Kelly) may be content in their place RIGHT NOW. But what happens when they decide that they want to expand their horizons? Most groups get along just fine in the BEGINNING. However, they END UP parting because SOMEONE didn't want to give up CONTROL. And that is what THIS is all about. It's like Beyonce' is being catered to with no regards for her fellow group members. The reason that the first two members left was because they wanted to bring in their OWN MANAGEMENT and Beyonce's father was not with that. What's up with that? What was going on so that these girls felt that they needed someone else to represent them?

Believe me, I didn't arrive at my impressions about DC over night. This opinion was made after hearing as much about the situation as possible.

REALLY, I am not hating on this group. I'm all about African-Americans (particularly women) making it big. But...I'm also about FAIRNESS, INTEGRITY, HONESTY, SELFLESSNESS, AND COHESION.

Well this morning while listening to my radio station, I corrected that DC was booed. I saw part of the show and Michelle was the only one in pure Laker gear. Beyonce's outfit was neutral. Now, Beyonce's Farrah Fawcett hairstyle was beyond me!

I understand that if you're the manager you're supposed to be fair, but come on. Are you telling me that if you had a daughter in a group and you were the manager, you would push the other girls into the forefront? Just like with any activity my child would be in, I would support them and make sure they do their best.
Besides the music industry is a business and for profit, not the girl scouts or law school where everything is supposed to be 50/50 share share alike and justice for all.
And if the other members want to leave, I'm sure they can, just as others before them have.

Just my opinion.....

[Imperial11]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by korkscru:

From what I know, Kelly actually is NOT related to Beyonce' at all (I don't know if this is true, but I DO recall hearing that).

No, they aren't really related. They were school mates and Kelly's mom let her go live with the Knowles family for unspecified reasons. I heard this out of Kelly's own mouth.

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[BlueReign]

Originally posted by DirectorDST99:
I can NEVER understand artists who sing "strange lyrics" like Bootylicious and at the end give thanks to God. God didn't tell you to sing no song called Bootylicious!!!!!

AMEN!

[korkscru]

DSTLove, from what I saw the crowd was unable to give much response because they immediately went into the second song. Review your boyfriend's tape and let us know what you saw and what you think.

Now Gold99Gyrl, I find it funny that you would compare Destiny's Child to Dianna Ross and the Supremes. Frankly, in my opinion, one would have to consider the comparision to be negative in a lot of ways. Yes, Dianna Ross was the "lead" singer in the group, but more focus was put on her AFTER the group's name was changed (they were originally just "The Supremes"). They became "DIANNA ROSS & the Supremes" (conincidently) AFTER rumors surfaced about her sleeping with Barry Gordy. And now years later we find that to be true because one of Dianna Ross' daughters belongs to Barry Gordy. Look at all of the DRAMA that has surfaced because of how the other members of that group were treated. Mary Wells is extremely bitter and she has told ALL (and I believe it).

I wouldn't be shocked to hear a similar story about Destiny's Child in the future. Don't be surprised to hear that Kelly or Michelle are bitter about something that is going on in that group.

My sister said something really interesting. She said that since BEYONCE' needs the spotlight soooo much, why don't she just go SOLO??? Good question. Why don't she??? I find it suspicious that BEYONCE' has all of this extra curricular activities (Hair-coloring commercial, this Karmen Hip-Hopera thing, singing on other people's records)and the spotlight whenever the group performs, but there is none for the other group members. What's up with that? Yes, she can sing, but Michelle and Kelly can sing also. But no one would know that because BEYONCE' is ALWAYS singing. Destiny's Child is supposed to be a GROUP. So I feel that the focus should not just be on Beyonce'. Heck, Envogue didn't go that route (and Beyonce' says that Envouge was a great influence on their group). Makes a person wonder.

[JJSP01]

I see you droppin' knowledge korkscru!! Beyonce herself compared DC to the Supremes..makes you wonder...



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[Tanzanite]

[quote]Originally posted by Imperial11:

Originally posted by korkscru:
No, they aren't really related. They were school mates and Kelly's mom let her go live with the Knowles family for unspecified reasons. I heard this out of Kelly's own mouth.

You are correct they are not related. I saw on one of those T.V. specials (I thnk MTV but not totally sure) featuring D.C. that Kelly's mom let her live with the Knowles because she was with them all of the time. Kelly and Beyonce were saying that they went to school together and were practicing all the time together so it was easier for her to live with them. That even sounds suspect to me because I don't care who did what, my mom wouldn't let me live with anybody for such a simple reason

Personally, I liked their first CD and loved Independent Woman but I still have my disagreements with the group. I was reading a magazine that actually interviewed the other two girls for their side of the story. It was shocking. One of the old members was/is the girlfriend of one of the members of Jagged Edge. Supposedly when old DC went on tour or something with Jagged Edge, Mr. Knowles put one of the other girls mother off the bus saying she couldn't ride b/c of insurance or something like that I thought that was just plain low down

One more thing, Beyonce may be the way she is because she has never really been alone without her parents. She said that making that Carmen Hip Hopera was the most time she had ever been around people her own age without her parents. Sorry for the long post

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[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by Tanzanite:

One of the old members was/is the girlfriend of one of the members of Jagged Edge. Supposedly when old DC went on tour or something with Jagged Edge, Mr. Knowles put one of the other girls mother off the bus saying she couldn't ride b/c of insurance or something like that

The old members of DC, Latonya and LaTavia (I believe their names are), were or are the girlfriends of the twins from JE.