O'Reilly Lawsuit - Page 2

James · #16 10-14-2004, 07:40 PM

The sexual harrassment category is so vague its almost silly.

Its a crime of perception and comfort zones.

In the article i read it sounds like he viewed her as a friend as well as co-worker and so may have spoken about stuff that looks odd to those not privy to the context of the original conversation.

cash78mere · #17 10-14-2004, 08:22 PM

anyone suing anyone for $60 million is in it for the money.

any time i see lawsuits for ridiculous amounts of money like that it makes me sick. even if he DID do what she claims...how in the world can you sue for $60 million in damages? give me a break.

Munchkin03 · #18 10-14-2004, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by James
The sexual harrassment category is so vague its almost silly.

Its a crime of perception and comfort zones.

In the article i read it sounds like he viewed her as a friend as well as co-worker and so may have spoken about stuff that looks odd to those not privy to the context of the original conversation.

If it's true that he was discussing with her the circumstances of his losing his virginity (blech), among other things, how can that be considered "vague"?

At the very least, it shows a real lack of professionalism on his part if the allegations are true.

The lawyer is sketchy. When I saw him for the first time, I thought he was a personal injury attorney.

James · #19 10-14-2004, 08:47 PM

Well vague as to what actually contitutes harrassement. One person might feel harrassed while another wouldn't care at all.

He was silly to set himself up for this as a public figure. Even if he thought they were friends, the article mentions dinners outside of the workplace, he should have realized that freely expressing himself could have resulted in giving someone ammunition against him.

Imagine if some of our friends decided to take our conversations with them out of context and use them against us?

DeltAlum · #20 10-14-2004, 09:26 PM

Speaking from two different perspectives -- first as a manager of a large group, second as a former diversity instructor for NBC...

I don't care if it's your best friend, your girl/boy friend, your boss, someone you see in the hall -- anybody -- you just don't say anything that can be remotely considered sexual in nature. You don't touch anyone with the possible exception of shaking hands. You don't display any kind of picture with any kind of sexual connotation. No off color jokes. No leering. No sexual comments about other people. No swearing usuing sexual words.

None of the above -- Zip, Nada. Not even a little. Zero.

Even if you're talking to someone and someone else hears you.

Otherwise, you're likely to end up in court.

If you don't believe it's that bad -- ask an attorney.

(ETA, I don't mean you can never touch your girl/boyfriend -- but maybe you shouldn't in the workplace.)

Rudey · #21 10-14-2004, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Speaking from two different perspectives -- first as a manager of a large group, second as a former diversity instructor for NBC...

I don't care if it's your best friend, your girl/boy friend, your boss, someone you see in the hall -- anybody -- you just don't say anything that can be remotely considered sexual in nature. You don't touch anyone with the possible exception of shaking hands. You don't display any kind of picture with any kind of sexual connotation. No off color jokes. No leering. No sexual comments about other people. No swearing usuing sexual words.

None of the above -- Zip, Nada. Not even a little. Zero.

Even if you're talking to someone and someone else hears you.

Otherwise, you're likely to end up in court.

If you don't believe it's that bad -- ask an attorney.

I know you say that and I know people strive for that, but I am betting that it wasn't like that. It sure as hell isn't in my industry.

-Rudey

DeltAlum · #22 10-14-2004, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
I know you say that and I know people strive for that, but I am betting that it wasn't like that. It sure as hell isn't in my industry.

True. And it never will be like that. But if you really want to protect yourself, you should do everything you can not to get involved.

Managers can get in trouble if they know stuff is going on and don't actively discourage it.

I actually had a situation where an employee of mine was making off color remarks and a woman on the crew took offense. I gave him a verbal warning and he didn't stop. I gave him a written warning in his file and the remarks stopped. Then another woman said he was looking at scantily clad women on the internet. Due to some circumstances I won't get into, I had at least some doubts about that one, but given his previous record, I had no recourse but to let him go.

I'm glad he didn't decide to sue.

Being a manager in that kind of situation isn't a good place to be.

James · #23 10-15-2004, 07:58 PM

Another lesson. Don't hire passive-agressive women if you can help it. Especially the very sensitive ones.

kafromTN · #24 10-16-2004, 11:09 PM

I think she is full of it b/c some of these incidences occured before she initially left for CNN and then came back to work for O-Reilly. If I was uncomfortable in a situation & I left it, I wouldn't put myself back in that situation.
-Just my $.01648 worth
Mark

smiley21 · #25 10-18-2004, 10:30 PM

i really do not like that guy. i am convinced that something crooked is going on with him.

AGDee · #26 10-18-2004, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by kafromTN
I think she is full of it b/c some of these incidences occured before she initially left for CNN and then came back to work for O-Reilly. If I was uncomfortable in a situation & I left it, I wouldn't put myself back in that situation.
-Just my $.01648 worth
Mark

She is claiming that she told him that one condition of her returning to Fox was that he stop the sexual talk and that it did stop, for about a month, when he started up again. In the same report, I heard she left CNN because sexual harassment issues were causing a lot of people to leave and, although she was not involved, she decided to get out then too.

His lawyers have requested an Emergency something or other, which is asking the court to take possession of any tapes that might exist by Friday. So, if she does have tapes, I guess we'll find out by Friday (if the judge grants the request).

I don't like the guy, but none of us have enough evidence to make any judgments at this point. Time will tell more...

Dee

wrigley · #27 10-18-2004, 11:33 PM

There was an interview of Ms. Mackris(sp?) and Mr. Morelli on a news program , I can't remember the name, this past Thursday or Friday.

The spin they took was that Morelli was in negotiations for over two weeks on a settlement so it wouldn't go public. The reference to the 60 million dollar amount was allegedly the amount that Bill O'Riley brings to his network in a year. Morelli barely let her get in a word edgewise throughout the interview.

If the tape recorded conversations show that O'Riley was sexually harrassing her, he should be fired.

AGDee · #28 10-29-2004, 06:42 AM

So, they've settled out of court:

NEW YORK -- Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly didn't sexually harass his former producer and she didn't try to extort money from him, according to a statement announcing an out-of-court settlement.

Andrea Mackris had claimed O'Reilly made a series of sexually explicit phone calls to her.

O'Reilly had sued Mackris mere hours before she sued him Oct. 13. The talk show host said he was fighting an extortion attempt because Mackris had demanded $60 million to make the case go away.

The statement did not say whether a financial settlement was involved.

DeltAlum · #29 10-29-2004, 10:12 AM

So, given the circumstances of the settlement, my take is that O'Reilly probably did/said some stuff he shouldn't have to this gold-digger, and now they're both trying to get out gracefully.

And failing. Nobody's going to believe either of them.

AXEAM · #30 11-01-2004, 04:31 AM

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Originally posted by James
Another lesson. Don't hire passive-agressive women if you can help it. Especially the very sensitive ones.

How about not talking about phone sex w/ another women 20 + years younger then you when you're a married man w/ children. O'Reilly talked so much crap about others being demeaning towards women now look @ what he's done, he's not even refuting it but instead questions her motives. Someone ought to tell that clown if your going to talk the talk you have got to walk the walk the way he's acting like a little bi#ch he should call his show the free spin zone not the no spin zone.