Why does Kerry keep flip-flopping and straddling Iraq?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by KSig RC
you're seriously voting based on one and a half issues?


Guys, come on - the religious right is such a small (loud, annoying, insipid) part of the Republican Party - most of us don't even acknowledge them, and any bones tossed to them in platforming will be quickly killed by moderates on the floor.

Also - I seriously cannot imagine a scenario in which Roe v. Wade gets overturned . . . you can call me idealistic or naive, but I feel that the 'chicken little' act is a little overplayed, seeing as people have done it every time a Republican gained office since 1980.

No, I'm voting on other issues too - and you may feel that way about the religious right, but I'm not okay with Bush's faith baith initiatives. My relationship with God is mine, not mine to force on the world.

As for the pro-choice - it's not just about abortion. It's about the Bush administration trying to limit access to birth control, and flat out denying foreign aid to countries who have contraception policies they disagree with. It's about Ashcroft wanting in my medical records.

I will expound on the other issues more in one of the other threads on that - I'm actually a very conservative Democrat but I can't really ever see myself voting Republican unless major major changes were made in the party.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
No, I'm voting on other issues too - and you may feel that way about the religious right, but I'm not okay with Bush's faith baith initiatives. My relationship with God is mine, not mine to force on the world.

As for the pro-choice - it's not just about abortion. It's about the Bush administration trying to limit access to birth control, and flat out denying foreign aid to countries who have contraception policies they disagree with. It's about Ashcroft wanting in my medical records.

I will expound on the other issues more in one of the other threads on that - I'm actually a very conservative Democrat but I can't really ever see myself voting Republican unless major major changes were made in the party.

Do you know why Kerry straddles issues like Iraq?

-Rudey

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Rudey
Do you know why Kerry straddles issues like Iraq?

-Rudey

I don't really think he's straddling it - I don't think he has much of a choice now considering that if he wins in November, he's going to inherit the war. War is not really my main issue.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I don't really think he's straddling it - I don't think he has much of a choice now considering that if he wins in November, he's going to inherit the war. War is not really my main issue.

He said he would vote for the war no matter what. If he was President there would have still been war.

How is he not straddling it? He has straddled gay marriage as well among other issues.

-Rudey

[RACooper]

Despite Kerry's "flip-flopping" it seems that many other people in other nations would be happier with him:

30 nations pick Kerry: Poll
34,000 adults surveyed in 35 countries
Respondents oppose Bush foreign policy
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968350060724

The end of the article is interesting though:
"The PIPA study found that although more than nine in 10 Americans feel it is very or somewhat important that U.S. foreign policy be an instrument that gives the country a positive image around the world, they are not about to change their vote based on the perceptions of those outside this country."

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
Despite Kerry's "flip-flopping" it seems that many other people in other nations would be happier with him:

30 nations pick Kerry: Poll
34,000 adults surveyed in 35 countries
Respondents oppose Bush foreign policy
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968350060724

The end of the article is interesting though:
"The PIPA study found that although more than nine in 10 Americans feel it is very or somewhat important that U.S. foreign policy be an instrument that gives the country a positive image around the world, they are not about to change their vote based on the perceptions of those outside this country."

This post has nothing to do with this thread. And take heed, other nations do not vote in American elections - the American people do.

-Rudey

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Rudey
This post has nothing to do with this thread. And take heed, other nations do not vote in American elections - the American people do.

-Rudey

Actually this post does have a lot to do with this thread, which correct me if I'm wrong is a discussion on comments Kerry foreign policy. This is just offering another perspective on the arguement, from those "foreigners" that will be affected by the outcome of the US election. The article made also made express note of the fact that the American voter isn't swayed by perceptions abroad - which I found an interesting diconnect in the whole foreign policy picture.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
Actually this post does have a lot to do with this thread, which correct me if I'm wrong is a discussion on comments Kerry foreign policy. This is just offering another perspective on the arguement, from those "foreigners" that will be affected by the outcome of the US election. The article made also made express note of the fact that the American voter isn't swayed by perceptions abroad - which I found an interesting diconnect in the whole foreign policy picture.

No this is a discussion on Kerry straddling the issue of Iraq. So your lie/misunderstanding/ignorance has been correctied.

Again you do not vote or have any say in our election, the American people do.

-Rudey

[Kevin]

Originally posted by RACooper
Despite Kerry's "flip-flopping" it seems that many other people in other nations would be happier with him:

30 nations pick Kerry: Poll
34,000 adults surveyed in 35 countries
Respondents oppose Bush foreign policy
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...l=968350060724

The end of the article is interesting though:
"The PIPA study found that although more than nine in 10 Americans feel it is very or somewhat important that U.S. foreign policy be an instrument that gives the country a positive image around the world, they are not about to change their vote based on the perceptions of those outside this country."

Does that surprise you?

Other countries want a weaker America. A vote for Kerry is a vote for a weaker America.

Thank God they have no say.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Does that surprise you?

Other countries want a weaker America. A vote for Kerry is a vote for a weaker America.

Thank God they have no say.

It's like saying what players do the Red Sox want playing for the Yankees.

-Rudey

[kappaloo]

Originally posted by Rudey
It's like saying what players do the Red Sox want playing for the Yankees.

-Rudey

Except that if people thought about it, it's not. Having a strong America is important for most of the world....
I mean, American has an economic burp and the world economy goes into limbo. Being the only super power unfortunately means the entire world has to care about the choices you make because in the end, it does affect us. And for us Canadians, "in the end" usually means 2-4 months from now. So while we have no say in your election, you can see why we might care who wins.

That said, a lot of people just don't like Bush for unimportant reasons and would rather see Elmo wins than him.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by kappaloo
Except that if people thought about it, it's not. Having a strong America is important for most of the world....
I mean, American has an economic burp and the world economy goes into limbo. Being the only super power unfortunately means the entire world has to care about the choices you make because in the end, it does affect us. And for us Canadians, "in the end" usually means 2-4 months from now. So while we have no say in your election, you can see why we might care who wins.

That said, a lot of people just don't like Bush for unimportant reasons and would rather see Elmo wins than him.

The way I see it, it's a simple case of haves and have nots for most of the world. It is usually true that have-nots wish horrible things to befall the haves. So why wouldn't they want Kerry elected?

They usually don't have a sophisticated enough understanding of the world to understand that a strong America helps them. They're also typically too proud to admit that.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by kappaloo
Except that if people thought about it, it's not. Having a strong America is important for most of the world....
I mean, American has an economic burp and the world economy goes into limbo. Being the only super power unfortunately means the entire world has to care about the choices you make because in the end, it does affect us. And for us Canadians, "in the end" usually means 2-4 months from now. So while we have no say in your election, you can see why we might care who wins.

That said, a lot of people just don't like Bush for unimportant reasons and would rather see Elmo wins than him.

Umm yes and no. There are benefits for some people that America be strong (Canada) and even more benefits for some people that America be weak (Europe and Asia). And it's not just America being weak; it's America being while while they are strong. There's a difference.

-Rudey

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040927_70.html

It's hard for me to support our government on this move when Putin is endangering the fledgling Democracy by consolidating power, but at the same time the Cechen nationalist movement has fallen into terrorist tactics.

[Rudey]

Leave it to you, a Democrat, to spread rumors and lies.

Here is someone flipping and straddling an issue:
http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Mult...r.aspx?ID=1043

John Kerry the greatest flip-flopper ever. We really need someone like him flio-flopping over whether he wants to defend America or hug terrorists in warm fuzzy pink blankets.

-Rudey