Underground

[33girl]

This has nothing to do with your not being a "social Greek."

You state yourself that there is just "speculation" that the latest two are gone. There are many reasons that fraternities might not be allowed to rush - some groups are not allowed to take 1st semester freshmen unless they meet grade requirements, are RSOs etc etc. That doesn't mean they are gone and it's not cool to spread on a public forum that they are.

How about giving us the names of the groups?

[Amalia17]

33 I PM'd you

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by RUASTgrrl
This happened at my school. Story goes that a fraternity was kicked off campus in the 80s and they formed an "off campus" org. Not using their former GLOs letters though. It was a bit of a problem while I was there with Hazing and all. B/C they weren't recognized as a campus organization they didn't have to follow any of the rules. Also, for some reason, guys wanted to join them, so there were issues with the off campus org taking away PNMs from the GLOs on campus, and basically robbing them of the lifetime ties and friendships that develop from belonging to and org with aims and purposes other than hazing and drinking. The last year I was there, an "off campus" sorority had actually formed. And while it was annoying, they didn't cause any real problems for the GLOs. we did have all sorts of panhel rules about being forbidden to mix with them. Its pretty weird. It wasn't much more than a gang. Now I want to point out that these were not groups that were ever interested in becoming affiliated with the campus as a Local GLO, or with a national GLO.

The same thing happened to a men's group on my campus. I don't know whey they were kicked off campus, but they basically formed a "secret society" and have a house and everything.

For some people, the "lifetime" part of membership is something that isn't really thought about... I mean, if these people are in college, and they KNOW they are joining an "underground" chapter, I highly doubt they are counting down the days to their first alumna tea or whatever... they are probably just joining for the kicks of it and the social opportunities they may have while they are in college.

Being a member of a GLO means different things to different people... for some it's that great feeling of being part of something way bigger than you are..meeting lifelong friends.. and helping one another (and of course the social stuff ) and for others, it is just for the social stuff only... so if they want to get that from a pretend chapter, that's their thing.

It's a bummer that those groups may be making the "pnm pool" smaller for the recognized groups, but in all honesty, I don't think the recognized groups would want them anyway if they are just there for the parties and for whatever else got those chapters kicked off campus.

[kddani]

Originally posted by Amalia17
If you think I am being "sour grapes" and all that is fine by me. I am not spreading rumors, you can call the school's greek life and ask them if so and so group used to be there. I am stating what I know. I am not going to list the specific groups because I think that would be wrong, the people who have questioned my honesty are in some of these said groups.

this semester there has been speculation that 2 more fraternties are gone (nothing has been "reported" on the most recent two and they are still listed on the university webpage) however they are not permitted to rush new members and all flyers advertising rush has removed these 2 fraternities in question.
Again, sorry to offend anyone. It seems some of you just hate me for expressing my opinion. Geez. Just because I am not a social panhell greek it is as if I have no right to post.

Again, name names because all of us on here would appreciate knowing of a group of girls or guys were NOT a chapter of our GLO but acting like it. KD left there in 99, so if there were girls acting as KD's, we would appreciate knowing it so some action could be taken. So if you're SO concerned, then name some names. Or contact the HQ of those groups. What's the point of just coming here and complaining about it?

And to reiterate what Sheila said, you've even admitted that you're speculating. Fraternities have a different punishment system than sororities. Not rushing is a popular punishment, that happens to fraternities on my campus all the time. If you're not sure, then why are you spreading the rumor?

I don't hate you for expressing your opinion. I dislike the fact that you come on here and continually b!tch and moan about the GLOs that are at Slippery Rock after you so badly tried to be a part of it. I also dislike people who start rumors and provide nothing to back it up.

I know greek life is shady up there- after KD closed, several girls from my HS who worked at the store I did during the holidays laughed that we got closed for hazing and proudly told me how badly their chapter hazed (i'm pretty sure they're still on the campus).

But you're admitting to just speculation. You have no real information on what's going on. It's just rumors that you're repeating.

[angelic1]

Originally posted by Amalia17
Recently at my school we have lost many GLO's, both fraternities and sororities for various reasons. This semester (only a month into it) we lost 3, the most recent was this past week.

What you said just did not seem right.. so I questioned it. I don't really know anything about you so I wasn't try to get on you bc you arent a "social panhell greek". You just didn't give a lot of details to back up your story.

Also, when someone says recently I am not thinking at least over a ten year or more time frame. Plus, over a ten year time frame orgs can leave for different reasons. I am not aware of the situation of your campus, but maybe things went bad and they are trying to crack down and change things.



edited bc i cant type today

[emb021]

Originally posted by AGDee
I truly hope that they are not misleading these "members" into thinking that they are really members because if they attempt to get involved as alumnae ever, they will be sadly disappointed. I am shocked that other chapters on campus are supporting this.

Agree. My organization has this problem where people think they are members, but aren't, in many cases because a chapter that was shut down continued to operate 'underground'.

Another issue with underground chapters, at least with my org, is that the presence of an underground chapter will delay any effort to re-establish a legit chapter.

[SRUgirly]

[kddani]

Why would the greek life advisor want to get rid of chapters? If there aren't any, then she won't have a job. Getting new GLOs to colonize isn't as simple as all that either... a lot of GLOs probably wouldn't have a desire to colonize at SRU.

This woman is so dangerous and such a threat? Is she going to come after you personally and attack you? Lol. She's just a low paid low level employee. What would it matter if Amalia posted the names of these so called orgs that are underground? Amalia's not in a sorority or fraternity.

If you all have such a problem with her, then you should go to your administration and to the panhellenic delegate of your sorority and/or fraternity.

I think Keyboard Courage needs to pay a visit to this thread...

[33girl]

Trollin, trollin, trollin

Why is it dangerous to say the names of chapters that have lost their charters? That doesn't mean they are underground.

And I really question this dis on the Greek advisor trying to "get rid" of chapters. I'm not sure how long she's been there, but I know when ASA was closed the school, the administration and Panhellenic tried to intervene w/ our nationals on their behalf. That doesn't sound like they tried to "get rid" of them. This was our nationals' decision, not the school's.

You say "they should not wear them illegally, but why are they no longer allowed to wear them??" Well, if they aren't officially initiated sisters or brothers that would be a pretty big why. The two sororities that are dormant have been gone for 5-6 years. There may still be some alums there and they're perfectly allowed to wear letters. If you're an initiated member you can wear letters any time you want. Although I remember when we closed at SRU some people saying we couldn't, which wasn't true and all the other sororities came to our defense. If groups are taking members after losing their charter that's something else.

Underground means no one knows about it, DAH!

If you don't want to get Expelled then don't be Stupid!

/Earpspeak (sorry Tom, had to do it)

[Amalia17]

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...and I remember the time when Dionysus extended the olive branch of peace to herself.

[kddani]

Let me clarify, Amalia IS a member of a "fraternity" but not a fraternity that a greek life advisor would preside over. (adding this clarification b/c of a PM that I received).

This evil woman is making maybe in the mid-20's at a PA state school. How much power could she actually have?

And ditto to everything 33girl said.

Please, enlighten us as to why is must be kept a big secret who the underground chapters are...? If it's any of our chapters, why don't we have the right to be informed?

Is this woman going to cause physicah harm to you if you reveal the names?

Of course we're all going to call BS and troll when you make statements and offer nothing to support them.

[kddani]

Originally posted by OohTeenyWahine
...and I remember the time when Dionysus extended the olive branch of peace to herself.

or how about recently when the greekyearbook spammer created alternate personalities to talk to themselves?

[naraht]

Is Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity one of the ones you are counting as being lost? I'm interested to find out if they are doing anything underground. I'm an Alumni Volunteer for Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity (On the National History & Archives Committee & others) and my sister is an alumnus of the Alpha Phi Omega chapter at Slippery Rock University. (Slippery Rock's chapter of Alpha Phi Omega was declared inactive in 2004, I believe in February)

YiLFS
Randolph Finder

[Amalia17]

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