Guaranteed bidding - Page 2

DeltaBetaBaby · #16 09-19-2004, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by aephi alum
On the one hand, I'd hate to be the PNM who attended two or three pref parties, didn't ISP, thought everything was going swimmingly, only to turn up on bid day and be sent home bidless.

I agree that this sucks, but sometimes these women end up happy in another chapter. There is a reason quota additions are supposed to be limited to 5% of quota.

Besides, with guaranteed placement, I could decide on day 1 that I want to be an XYZ. I am a huge bitch at every chapter except XYZ, and I get dropped everywhere else. So I get one pref invite, I attend, and I am guaranteed a bid to XYZ. I haven't exactly maximized options, have I?

carnation · #17 09-19-2004, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Besides, with guaranteed placement, I could decide on day 1 that I want to be an XYZ. I am a huge bitch at every chapter except XYZ, and I get dropped everywhere else. So I get one pref invite, I attend, and I am guaranteed a bid to XYZ. I haven't exactly maximized options, have I?

And folks, this would happen at a lot of schools I can think of. Really.

AChiOAlumna · #18 09-19-2004, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by carnation
And folks, this would happen at a lot of schools I can think of. Really.

As an advisor, I see a lot of PNMs do this or will blatantly say to my collegiates, "I just want to be in XYZ (not our house). I'm just going to all the parties so I don't get dropped."

Pretty pathetic if you ask me...and what's sadder is that the PNM may not really "fit" with that house...and now has been dropped by all other houses...

I know the Rho Chi's address this, but you can't force a PNM not to do this.

33girl · #19 09-19-2004, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by aephi alum
I, too, disagree with the Tufts system. What if a PNM is released from all groups because of grades? What if she's just a total nightmare? Sounds like trouble.

I don't think they could force a sorority to bid a girl who has a 2.2 if their required is a 2.5...unless the sorority just takes it and shuts up, in which case I'd really worry about where their values were.

aephi alum · #20 09-19-2004, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby
I agree that this sucks, but sometimes these women end up happy in another chapter. There is a reason quota additions are supposed to be limited to 5% of quota.

Besides, with guaranteed placement, I could decide on day 1 that I want to be an XYZ. I am a huge bitch at every chapter except XYZ, and I get dropped everywhere else. So I get one pref invite, I attend, and I am guaranteed a bid to XYZ. I haven't exactly maximized options, have I?

I'm thinking of those women who do maximize their options, don't decline any invites they don't have to, haven't focused their attentions on only one sorority and been total b!tches everywhere else, but just happen to fall out at the tail end of the second bid list of each sorority they pref. Someone has to be the last person on the bid list. It does suck that they go bidless, but there are snap bids and COB - not getting a bid during FR isn't the end of the world.

I should note that my school does use quota additions to try to place at least a few women who don't match via regular bid matching.

DeltaBetaBaby · #21 09-20-2004, 12:08 AM

So what is the worst that happens? You go to COB events for chapters that were not in your top three?

KSUViolet06 · #22 09-20-2004, 09:36 AM

I personally don't think that you should be guaranteed a bid if you didn't even attend prefs. Also- it takes the away the idea of recruitment as a MUTUAL SELECTION process.

RUASTgrrl · #23 09-20-2004, 12:21 PM

At my school I don't think you were guaranteed a bid, but it you attended a pref party for an org, I think you had to be on their bid list somewhere. B/c I remember the biggest cuts came b/f prefs b/c you might get that last girl on the bottom of your second list, running to you on bid day.

bruinaphi · #24 09-20-2004, 01:36 PM

Creigton is the other school that I know of that has true guaranteed placement (like Tufts). A lot of other campuses have what they call guaranteed placement which is really that if you maximize your opportunities and attend at least one preference party you do not get cross-cut. This sometimes leads to quota additions, but in the end is more fair to the PNMs.

33girl · #25 09-20-2004, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by bruinaphi
Creigton is the other school that I know of that has true guaranteed placement (like Tufts).

From what I heard Creighton is bagging their guaranteed placement...too late, unfortunately for the chapter who got screwed by it.

shadokat · #26 09-20-2004, 02:18 PM

I agree with DeltaBetaBaby. The big just get bigger...

It amazes me how at some schools, say quota is 20, some sororities end up with 26 girls, while another ends up with 12. Quota additions is one thing, but jeez, to get so many over quota just doesn't seem right to me. I always assumed it was this rule that made that possible.

smiley21 · #27 09-20-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Aphigal
I know Tufts Univerity does it. Its called General Assured Bidding. If a woman is released from all three groups she is automatically invited back to them all. This happens all the way through pref. Then if she still doesn't match the advisors sit around and discuss (umm argue) about how gets placed where. Its a university thing and rather unpleasant when there are only three groups involved.

then what is the point with recruitment? why dont the sororities set up tables and all the PNMs just go up and sign where they want to join no matter what the sisters say??

IvySpice · #28 09-20-2004, 04:06 PM

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What if a PNM is released from all groups because of grades?

Tufts requires a 2.5 just to rush, so there shouldn't be total grade disasters in the pool.

I understand why Tufts does this, but it seems to me that they could have a middle ground of some kind...the automatic invites back, at least to interim rounds, when a girl is dropped completely makes some sense to me. Forcing you to take someone who was rude and obnoxious and who is going to drive other members out of the chapter makes no sense to me.

thetagammachica · #29 09-20-2004, 06:26 PM

I didn't think that was allowed. I understand that girls can put down whomever they want, and rank them. But becuse they go to preference, that doesn't automaticlly mean they are in.

But alot of this forum is confusing me. Isn't "rush" and "pledge" non-NPC?

AChiOAlumna · #30 09-20-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by thetagammachica
I didn't think that was allowed. I understand that girls can put down whomever they want, and rank them. But becuse they go to preference, that doesn't automaticlly mean they are in.

But alot of this forum is confusing me. Isn't "rush" and "pledge" non-NPC?

Technically you're right. "Rush" and "Pledge" are outdated terms...kinda shows off our age, huh?

Also, depending on the house, you're also correct that an invitation means "We're interested in you as a sister." And it also means that is she comes to Pref, you must expect that she'll be a NM on Bid Day...However, the fact that there will (hopefully) be more PNM's than quota, there's no guarantee that she'll be there the next day unless she is on your #1 Bid list.