Cheney on economic numbers: Don’t forget about eBay

[Rudey]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Did you mean how bad Democrats don't know the economy, or are you saying Democrats are for a better economy? Or did you mean something entirely different?

I'm talking about how Democrats don't know the economy and want it to do badly. Well they want us to do as well as we did during the Carter administration don't they? That was on a lovely little Kerry website wasn't it? You see that's something big and sad.

-Rudey

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by Rudey

So the question is, what is the motivation for Democrats wanting the economy to fail?

-Rudey

The whole issue was Cheney using Ebay as a source of the economy improving. If there was better sources like the automotive industry or something I am sure he would have. I am not argueing that ebay hasn't done well. Maybe their new campaign slogan should be "It's the e-bay sales, stupid".

Democrats don't want the economy to fail anymore than Bush wants the terrorist to win under his reign. Just because you disagree with Kerry's economic policy doesn't mean democrats want the economy to fail. What if Kerry is elected and the economy does better all 4 years he is in office. Give credit to Bush for setting the ground work? lol

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by Rudey
I'm talking about how Democrats don't know the economy and want it to do badly. Well they want us to do as well as we did during the Carter administration don't they? That was on a lovely little Kerry website wasn't it? You see that's something big and sad.

-Rudey

Democrats want to see the economy do as well as it did under Clinton even if the bubble helped him out. Even without the bubble it probably was still better than the first Bush admin. But you probably say thats because the measures the first Bush made. We are just restating stuff that has been said by both sides for awhile now.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
The whole issue was Cheney using Ebay as a source of the economy improving. If there was better sources like the automotive industry or something I am sure he would have. I am not argueing that ebay hasn't done well. Maybe their new campaign slogan should be "It's the e-bay sales, stupid".

Democrats don't want the economy to fail anymore than Bush wants the terrorist to win under his reign. Just because you disagree with Kerry's economic policy doesn't mean democrats want the economy to fail. What if Kerry is elected and the economy does better all 4 years he is in office. Give credit to Bush for setting the ground work? lol

And I replied that ebay/the internet/alternative revenue sources are very helpful in indicating growth. Now I even posted a chart showing measured of the economy and unemployment...you seem to have glossed over that.

The difference is that I honestly think that some Democrats want bad things to happen to America so Bush is replaced. For example I talked with a girl who said she hoped Osama isn't found. Some want the economy not to show improving numbers, etc. That is just plain irresponsible on the part of Democrats.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Democrats want to see the economy do as well as it did under Clinton even if the bubble helped him out. Even without the bubble it probably was still better than the first Bush admin. But you probably say thats because the measures the first Bush made. We are just restating stuff that has been said by both sides for awhile now.

"President Clinton inherited prosperity; President Clinton bequeathed recession."

Now let's look at the graph above before we reply.

-Rudey

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by Rudey
And I replied that ebay/the internet/alternative revenue sources are very helpful in indicating growth. Now I even posted a chart showing measured of the economy and unemployment...you seem to have glossed over that.

The difference is that I honestly think that some Democrats want bad things to happen to America so Bush is replaced. For example I talked with a girl who said she hoped Osama isn't found. Some want the economy not to show improving numbers, etc. That is just plain irresponsible on the part of Democrats.

-Rudey

We I can agree people might now want things to happen til after the election so Bush is voted out. I do think everyone wants Osama to be caught and the economy to get better. Thats politics for you. If roles were reversed some Republicans would be wishing the same things.

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by Rudey
"President Clinton inherited prosperity; President Clinton bequeathed recession."

Now let's look at the graph above before we reply.

-Rudey

Knew you would say that. I called it. lol

[The1calledTKE]

A reason ebay is doing well in the current economy was just brought to me. If the economy was good people wouldn't have to sell their stuff on eBay to pay rent.
Also people buy on eBay because otherwise they would have to pay retail.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
A reason ebay is doing well in the current economy was just brought to me. If the economy was good people wouldn't have to sell their stuff on eBay to pay rent.
Also people buy on eBay because otherwise they would have to pay retail.

Try again.

-Rudey
--And why are we talking about why ebay is doing well?

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Rudey
I'm talking about how Democrats don't know the economy and want it to do badly. Well they want us to do as well as we did during the Carter administration don't they? That was on a lovely little Kerry website wasn't it? You see that's something big and sad.

-Rudey

Carter basically single-handedly (well at least through the taxes he allowed to pass at the time) destroyed my family's oil business. For them to say that he helped the ecomony is pretty hilarious. I guess they count on people being stupid and having short memories.

[damasa]

Originally posted by hoosier

Wal-Mart probably helps small businesses, since it employs a lot of people and pays a lot of wages. Small business which offer something these people want, and offer good service, likely prosper.

Actually it doesn't but I'll leave this blind statement alone for the most part. It does employ lots of people, in which they have to replace 50-60% each year. Most of the employees are only p/t workers that have no insurance benefits. Only 35-40% of Walmarts workers are actually covered by insurance. Their wages are crap.

Sure they offer a good service and pass on the savings to their customers but let's not forget the way they gouge their suppliers (and ultimately damage the company or run them out of business).

When a Walmart comes into a new town an average of 3-5 smaller stores (local chains, mom & pop stores) will close. That doesn't help small business. They also do very little for the smaller to medium sized businesses that supply to them.

This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue and I could care less as to how much Walmart donates to what party really. This is an issue about a horrible company which some people feel helps small businesses...

Back to the topic

[Kevin]

Sure some businesses close, but how many new ones open as a result of the Wal-Mart's draw of foot traffic? Around here, when a Wal-Mart is opened, the area around is soon full of businesses being built. I'm sure it hurts some businesses, but it helps others. Are your figures based on a net loss/gain of businesses or just the fact that an average of 4-5 close?

[damasa]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Sure some businesses close, but how many new ones open as a result of the Wal-Mart's draw of foot traffic? Around here, when a Wal-Mart is opened, the area around is soon full of businesses being built. I'm sure it hurts some businesses, but it helps others. Are your figures based on a net loss/gain of businesses or just the fact that an average of 4-5 close?

It's a net loss/gain not simply on an average of closing. May I ask what types of businesses open around there soon after a Walmart is built?

I studied Walmart over a semester in my Management Analysis class and I rarely found data to support business openings around a Walmart.

This is small business related considering hoosier said that Walmart "probably helps small businesses." If we are talking about the creation of new business around a new Walmart facility ti almost always means another large business chain and not a small business.

Chains such as Home Depot, Kohls Department Store, Menards, Wendys and other gas station chains will open around Walmart areas. Again, these are all larger chains. They do not reflect the closing of small business that hoosier seems to think are helped by Walmart.

It gets more and more complex but many of the businesses that flourish around a Walmart do so because they have no direct competition with the store. Walmart does not sell home building supplies as Home Depot or Menards do. They do not sell fast food as Wendys does, etc....

A few fun facts:
Walmart is on target to capture 50% market share on consumer staples by the end of the decade.

Ktsnake you are in Oklahoma right? 30 supermarkets have closed in Oklahoma City since Walmart first entered the city.

Walmart has a yearly turnover rate of almost 50% for hourly workers.
Walmart controls 37% of U.S. food sales and 25% of U.S. drug sales.
(BusinessWeek October, 2003, - "Is Walmart too Powerful?")

I guess the point is Walmart is bad for small business and bad for many medium sized businesses that have a direct investment in the many items that Walmart sells.

Anyway, this isn't a thread about Walmart.

[Tom Earp]

Ebay as a Economic indicator is idiotcy. Look only at one thing, what is for sale. Look on the other side of the coin, what is sold and by what few buy. Look at what is not sold and then make a decision. How in the heck would Cheney know about Ebay, when was the last time He bid or sold on Ebay?

Lets tax purchases on ebay so the coffers can be refilled.

States tried it and screwed up so many other tax laws that is was a clown gathering.

Wally World, just go to small towns where wally world went into and see what is there for the SMALL BUSINESS to sell of even open.

A different scenario than I am sure Sam Walton envisioned.

Wally World opens as a self contained store, ergo, the small back bone of the USA close

Example: I own a smal business, and Wally World will sell at the same price as I can buy from a small business wholesaler because of the buying power that they have.

How many Small Business Manufactutuers who were promised big contracts for their items and put all eggs in one basket and then They were put out of business when the COMPANY Changed to Out Sourcieng.

Find small town USA and see what life is really about.

Remember, Small Business is actually The Back Bone of the USA!

[Rudey]

I like how people put words in people's mouths - and Republican or Democrat, these people should leave their parties and vote for Nader.

-Rudey