Conventions

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by cashmoney
Says who? According to what poll? Last time I checked the country was evenly divided. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for being a republican and voting for the most liberal of liberals, the extreme far left.

Come on Cash,

You know that there is always a fair number of cross-over votes in each election. It doesn't take a survey to prove that.

Second, your comment would seem to equate Republican and Conservative. There are people in both parties who thankfully cover the spectrum -- although the GOP is certainly more Conservative as a whole than the Democrats.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Come on Cash,

You know that there is always a fair number of cross-over votes in each election. It doesn't take a survey to prove that.

Second, your comment would seem to equate Republican and Conservative. There are people in both parties who thankfully cover the spectrum -- although the GOP is certainly more Conservative as a whole than the Democrats.

I know of none who are republicans and are wanting to vote for Kerry. It'd be different if it were Dick Gephardt or Liebermann. I wasnt insinuating that I'm all for Bush. I don't agree with a lot of what he stands for, socially. Economically and National Defense wise, I couldn't find myself with a better candidate. And THAT is why I'll be voting for him. I'm more of a McCain/Guiliani/Schwarz type of republican when it comes to social issues. And in this day of age, the thing that concerns me most is our National Defense and our Economy.

Back to using "ignore" because some ppl don't exist.....


Now if John Mccain was a sitting president i would of voted for him ...hell campaigned for him....but he is not and well i have to go with who i feel good about voting for.


John Mccain to me is a true hero above all of these political windbags!

[Rudey]

John McCain supports President Bush. I am tired of all this talk by people who don't know politics even one bit and consider Liberman to be a Republican and McCain a Democrat. They have absolutely not one clue on what makes them members of their parties - here is a suggestion you uneducated people, it's their voting records.

Anyway, I'm also tired of people saying they are Democrat/Republican but voting for this person. First of all what is it about you that makes you a member of said party?? I have a friend who is an ignorant Korean Christian (whole other story). He has never once shot a gun. Do you know what he tells me? Ignorant Christian tells me that he's a Republican because of his religion and he feels everyone should own a gun. His religion is something that would have made him a Democrat prior to Reagan. He knows not one bit about guns and hasn't even loaded a simple 9mm. He says he doesn't know about the other issues. You know who he says he will vote for? Kerry. These are the kinds of people I want Democrats to keep. They don't know anything about politics and pretend they belong to a party. They cling to a word or phrase much like saying you support the troops but not the war or make love, not war.

DeltAlum, I guess maybe coverage in Illinois is different because Obama isn't from our state but it just seemed as if Democrats just the bells and whistles when it came to media coverage over and over again. I had to watch PBS for RNC coverage and through internet streams and I doubt many Obama people did that. Maybe it's just psychological on my part though. Who knows.

-Rudey

[RACooper]

I have to wonder...

Why do you insist on classifying people by national or ethinic origin? or religion? If you believe that that is dumb/stupid/idiotic/ignorant for others to do to other/themselves why do you yourself do the same thing? and more importantly why do you then use these "classifications" to dismiss the arguements or beliefs of these people?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by RACooper
I have to wonder...

Why do you insist on classifying people by national or ethinic origin? or religion? If you believe that that is dumb/stupid/idiotic/ignorant for others to do to other/themselves why do you yourself do the same thing? and more importantly why do you then use these "classifications" to dismiss the arguements or beliefs of these people?

I don't. Don't make stupid claims ever again about me. I mentioned his Christianity because up until 1980 that movement was a Democratic stronghold. I mentioned Korean because his Christianity is actually strongly tied to his nationality and his immigrant label is also tied to the Democratic party.

Since you don't know these things I would such sit there quietly.

-Rudey

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Rudey
DeltAlum, I guess maybe coverage in Illinois is different because Obama isn't from our state but it just seemed as if Democrats just the bells and whistles when it came to media coverage over and over again. I had to watch PBS for RNC coverage and through internet streams and I doubt many Obama people did that. Maybe it's just psychological on my part though. Who knows.

-Rudey

You've probably put your finger on it right there. Often in a bigger market like Chicago it can be difficult to tell whether coverage is "local or national" because the networks sometimes use the local "owned station" talent for reports. Obama could tip the scales visually.

[Rudey]

I think the speeches so far have been great:

McCain was great. He even pointed out evil Moore in the crowd.

Giuliani connected with the crowd.

Laura Bush and daughters are amazing and beautiful.

Arnold isn't there just to be a star, he's there to support our party - a party in which an Austrian grew to be governor and to give a speech to our country.

-Rudey
--So far I'm enjoying it very much

[Rudey]

The speech by Dick Cheney was phenomenal. He showed the strengths of President Bush and really his words carry weight. I also enjoyed the parts where he highlighted Kerry's flip-flops and straddling the war on Iraq, No child left behind, Nafta, gay marriage, etc.

Also today some hostile protestors disrupted the protest. I guess that these people, whether voting for Kerry or not, chose that the RNC needed to be interrupted and not the DNC. Over 1,000 people have been already arrested. No decency.

-Rudey

[Peaches-n-Cream]

I missed most of the VP's speech. I'm annoyed with myself because I just forgot about it. I wonder if there will be a rerun or a transcription of the speech.

The protesters are all over the news. Some of them are quietly protesting in areas away from Madison Square Garden. Then there are the troublemakers like the man who assaulted a NY Police Officer. I really don't understand how some protesters were able to enter the Garden and stir up trouble. You would think that security would be better at the RNC.

[honeychile]

Honestly? I think every DNC and every RNC are the two largest pep rallies ever held in the United States. Both have good speakers, good speeches, bad speakers, bad speeches, crazy delegates, gung-ho delegates, and lots of fun with music, signs, hats, buttons, balloons, etc.

I cannot watch a Convention without wishing that I was there. It is one of the most stimulating things that someone interested in politics can ever do, and something I will never, ever forget. To this day, one of the most moving moments of my life was singing We Shall Overcome with a few ladies of color from Philadelphia - we all had tears running down our faces. Hearing "The Singing Fireman" sing Amazing Grace last night would have had to be a similar moment.

Just being near the President - no matter WHO he is! - while Hail to the Chief is playing is incredible! I wish every American could do that at least once. It's rather hard to keep track of the number of political celebrities one meets and/or really gets a chance to talk to - even more so, if you get a chance to go out afterwards to party with them!

But to say that one Convention was better than the other is a matter of personal bias. Neither party has a monopoly on the truth, on justice, or the American way. I consider myself blessed that I learned that as a teenager, as opposed to much later. We will always bring our own agendas to the table - but that's what makes our country great: the ability to discuss and vote on each issue.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

For anyone who's interested, here is the text of V.P. Dick Cheney's speech. Enjoy.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
For anyone who's interested, here is the text of V.P. Dick Cheney's speech. Enjoy.

It's not just his words, it's also how he delivered them. See if you can find the video or audio.

-Rudey

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by honeychile
I think every DNC and every RNC are the two largest pep rallies ever held in the United States. Both have good speakers, good speeches, bad speakers, bad speeches, crazy delegates, gung-ho delegates, and lots of fun with music, signs, hats, buttons, balloons, etc.

Just being near the President - no matter WHO he is! - while Hail to the Chief is playing is incredible! I wish every American could do that at least once.

But to say that one Convention was better than the other is a matter of personal bias. Neither party has a monopoly on the truth, on justice, or the American way.

Very astute.

The Conventions today are highly produced commercials, put together by highly paid media consultants. They are theatre (of the absurd sometimes?).

What is really being decided at this one -- or the one a few weeks ago? The nominees are in place, the platform is decided. There is no news anymore -- no floor fights. That's why the "major" networks aren't doing gavel-to-gavel coverage anymore. I'm not suggesting this is true, but I wouldn't be shocked if we someday find that the "demonstrators" who got on to the floor were all part of the act. Having been to political conventions, I find it very difficult to believe that they got past all of the security.

Your comments about "Hail to the Chief" are right on! No matter who the President, or what party is in power, there is something magical about the pomp and ceremony of the fanfare, the announcement of the president and the music. Then the "march on" by the President and party -- damned impressive.

I think that since I'm not really in TV News Production anymore that my streak has ended since I've never had the opportunity to televise this President Bush -- but it's been pretty interesting having done pools with every other one since Nixon. I'm not sure I have four more years to work on "W".

But, you never know until the votes are counted.

[honeychile]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
I'm not suggesting this is true, but I wouldn't be shocked if we someday find that the "demonstrators" who got on to the floor were all part of the act. Having been to political conventions, I find it very difficult to believe that they got past all of the security.

LOL - The minute I heard of a protester inside Madison Square Garden, I thought the same thing! If I remember correctly, I had to show my credentials at least 5-6 times each time I was on the floor!

Outside is another story - I think that the protesters are really doing their cause more harm than good at this point!