Girl's communion not valid, according to church

[Kevin]

Originally posted by 33girl
She can take just wine and it would be valid. This is just another example of wah wah whiny parents. They've been offered an option and are refusing it, so phooey on them. A lot of these food allergies are BS anyway. (Sometimes they are real, but a lot of the time they're total BS.)

We had a congregant who was a recovering alcoholic and he didn't take the wine (we have actual wine) in little cups. Yes, maybe it made him a little "different" but the important part was that he received the Sacrament. Obviously this family thinks making their point is more important than that.

This thread makes me remember my childhood when my parents decided to have me tested at this quack place to see if I had food allergies. After taking about half my blood (enough that I passed out and had a seizure), they determined that I was allergic to brewer's yeast, chocolate, wheat and several other things.

My diet consisted of rice bread instead of wheat bread for sandwiches, all kinds of dried fruit, just strange fuid altogether. Probably why I can eat just about anything now and appreciate it.

Anyhow, yeah, a lot of these food allergy things are complete BS. And then again, some are very real.

[AOIIsilver]

Taualumna wrote...

The 9:30 one is more modern, and the communion bread is definitely not a traditional communion wafer. In fact, it's slightly sweetened!

Taualumna, unfortunately, I can top that....from what I gather, our Reverand forgot the communion bread one Sunday and had to run across the street to purchase bread.
I was sitting near the front and was pretty shocked to see black things in the bread and what appeared to be swirls in the bread. Murmurings were all though the church before the plate made it to the back...
Yep, we had communion with cinnamon raisin bread!

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Originally posted by ktsnake
This thread makes me remember my childhood when my parents decided to have me tested at this quack place to see if I had food allergies. After taking about half my blood (enough that I passed out and had a seizure), they determined that I was allergic to brewer's yeast, chocolate, wheat and several other things.

My diet consisted of rice bread instead of wheat bread for sandwiches, all kinds of dried fruit, just strange fuid altogether. Probably why I can eat just about anything now and appreciate it.

Anyhow, yeah, a lot of these food allergy things are complete BS. And then again, some are very real.

You poor thing. The doctors tested my sister for all sorts of allergies. She couldn't drink milk or eat wheat for a while. Luckily, she was negative for all food allergies. She was positive for all the skin test allergies. Mold and spores are bad for her.

[aephi alum]

Originally posted by adduncan
This quote is very telling. The alternative was offered - MOM rejected it. The Church tried to help, Mom is making the issue here. The rest of the article shows how flexible the RCC is w/ medical issues.

Okay, I missed the part where the girl was offered wine only as an alternative. Maybe the Church isn't that inflexible after all. I was under the impression that she had been told that she MUST take the wafer for her first communion, and that the wafer MUST contain wheat, even though doing so would make her ill, and even though wine-only is a perfectly valid option for communion.

Poor little girl - she thought she'd gone through this rite of passage enabling her to partake in a sacrament central to Catholicism, and now she's been told "sorry kiddo, it doesn't count".

LOL @ the cinnamon raisin communion bread! What's next, challah?

[adduncan]

Originally posted by aephi alum
Poor little girl - she thought she'd gone through this rite of passage enabling her to partake in a sacrament central to Catholicism, and now she's been told "sorry kiddo, it doesn't count".

Absolutely. A few dudes need a quick seminar on medical issues relating to the Eucharist, and it won't be a moment too soon.

You really wanna see something interesting? How about administering the Blessed Sacrament to bone marrow transplant patients in isolation? Very common where I used to work.

--add

[adpiucf]

The whole thing is outrageous and even though I am not Catholic, even I would say it is un-Christian to deny a religious rite because of a life-or-death dietary need. WWJD?

I was raised Jewish and it is well acknowledged that Jews follow the law of God. Christians follow the love of God. (Hence the Jews being the "chosen" people-- toiling on earth under God's law with promise of reward in the afterlife). This isn't a theological debate to talk about the merits of Judaism or the merits of Christianity, though. It is just that despite our following the "law" of God, it is also said, that with all of our fasting days, it is always acknowledged that the young, old and ill are exempt because their bodies have different needs. I believe Christianity, which practices the love of God, can look past the law of God in such a case as with this little girl. I have two friends with severe gluten allergies; one of these friends lost her mother due to the disease.

To summarize, I think we are all in agreement that this incident is not representative of the compassionate nature of the Church. and it is atypical. I expect it will be reversed.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Yes-- destruction of the small intestine is BS...

And I agree- the Catholic Church was offered an alternative and they turned it down- phooey on them.
And if they keep pushing it- proof that organized religion is harmful to people. Catholics wanting a little girl to get gastrointestinal cancer...

I think 33girl was saying that SOME of the food allergies are BS, not all of them.

Also, I don't think this situation should stand as representative of all Catholics or all organized religion either. That's a pretty big blanket statement.

[33girl]

ISPP, chill.

I know there are food allergies - my old boss is violently allergic to nuts, MSG or any sort of legume. She was almost in a car accident once because she was having an allergy attack - the restaurant she'd just visited swore there were no nuts on a dish and there were.

But you can't tell me that every other child out there has a food allergy that severe, which seems to be the case these days. cough cough munchausen by proxy cough cough

[adduncan]

Originally posted by adpiucf
The whole thing is outrageous and even though I am not Catholic, even I would say it is un-Christian to deny a religious rite because of a life-or-death dietary need. WWJD?

Read the rest of the thread.

--add

Originally posted by aephi alum
Okay, I missed the part where the girl was offered wine only as an alternative. Maybe the Church isn't that inflexible after all. I was under the impression that she had been told that she MUST take the wafer for her first communion, and that the wafer MUST contain wheat, even though doing so would make her ill, and even though wine-only is a perfectly valid option for communion.

Same here. Sorry 'bout that.

[ISUKappa]

Originally posted by KSigkid
Also, I don't think this situation should stand as representative of all Catholics or all organized religion either. That's a pretty big blanket statement.

Ditto. We're always saying how one bad person does not a bad chapter make. The same thinking applies here.

[AXOjen]

I think a key issue we're missing here is whether or not a different type of wafer can be confected into the Eucharist. Just because a priest says the words of consecration over an Oreo does not mean that the Oreo became the body and blood of Christ.

The requirements for the wafer are for a reason. Christ took unleavened bread at the passover supper and instituted the Eucharist. He didn't take rice cakes or cinnamon bread (hee!) or Doritos. He used unleavened bread and said, "THIS is my body.".

People seem to think that the Church makes up these "guidelines" will-nilly and is a big old baddy when it won't change them. In this particular case, the mom is asking the Church to do something it can't do... use a fundamentally different substance than the one Jesus used. Even if the priest was willing to use a rice wafer, it might not become a consecrated host. It wouldn't "take", so to speak.

Then the poor girl is just receiving a rice wafer and not her Lord and her God. Everyone present would be worshiping rice. And that's the sin of idolatry. (not that they'd be culpable for it, if they didn't know)

[aurora_borealis]

At the last big church gathering I attended we had a garlic herb dinner rolls and sparking wine for the communion at the Young Adults service. For germ reasons I dip my "body" into the common cup instead of drinking from it. The sparkling wine fizzed over when I dipped my garlic herb Jesus into it. Somehow we also set the cross on fire and made a joke that it was a sign from God to be Mothodists instead of Lutherans.

My church offers grape juice and wine, and the bread varies. We have a hippy heath food Co-Op in town and could easily get wheat free bread there if needed, and most people would never notice. The first time I had communion the wafer got stuck to the roof of my mouth, very upsetting.

aephialum- we've had challah before at my home church. We rent space to a group that are Christian Jews, so when we combine worship that's what we use.

ETA: After church we have a coffee/fellowship hour, any leftover Jesus is brought down and put on the table with the cookies and sandwiches. Yeah, I've had a ham & cheese on Jesus before.

[Lady Pi Phi]

When I first read this I obviously didn't pay attention to the whole article. I was like "bastards, she can't have wheat. Why should some stupid silly little rule prevent her from worship?!"
Them having gone back and re-read it. The church offered the mother and her daughter a safer and healthier option. It was refused.
It's really a non-issue. This is not the church being pricks. This is the mother being ridiculous.

Although, I'm wondering. If there is the "wine only" option. Can this girl take communion again? I don't really see what the big deal is, other than the mother making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

ETA: On food allergies, while some might be total BS, you don't know that, and when you hear someone has a food allergey it should be taken very seriously.

[SilverTurtle]

Originally posted by aephi alum


LOL @ the cinnamon raisin communion bread! What's next, challah?

Oh man, I love challah bread! There was this awesome bakery across the street from my university called Four Bakers that made it. Now it's a Cosi.

Back on topic, I'm surprised that Catholics can take wine minus the bread and it still 'counts' as communion.. It's my understanding that Catholics believe that the wine actually becomes the blood of Christ and the bread the actual body... so I would think you would need both? But I'm not Catholic, so I am probably way off.... just curious.