Help:He's wrong and we're right or why uneducated men should not be in charge of rush

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by ktsnake
[devil's advocate]

So why are y'all wanting to prevent a girl from going through Rush? So she didn't gel with your group. What's to say that she won't gel with another?

As I understand it, her level of involvement was putting her name on a piece of paper. Yeah, you probably COULD get her kicked out of rush. But really, what good purpose would that serve?

[/ devil's advocate]

Because she'd be violating NPC policy. What's the point of having policy is it's not going to be followed.

Her full year isn't up yet. She cannot rush. However, it's only formal recruitment she can't participate in. She's more than welcome to rush during the COB period in the spring because her year wil be over (provided there is BOB in the spring).

[trisigmaAtl]

It's not that nobody wants her to rush and pledge again ever, NPC has the calendar year pledge agreement for a reason--so that women know that pledging is a serious committment. If there were no rule, pnms could rush and drop continuously, giving each sorority a week or a month trial period or whateverr. This complicates chapter rolls, finances, planning, ability to bond, and of course, new member retention. It's also highly questionable whether or not this woman has even formally depledged from her current sorority, having a year to break ties with a group you've pledged is important. It sometimes takes time to get all the proper paperwork filed to get you formally depledged with your National Organization. I hope she is able to rush again and I hope it works out well. I think the other issue here is that this greek advisor isn't holding up NPC policy and that's part of his job.

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
Because she'd be violating NPC policy. What's the point of having policy is it's not going to be followed.

Her full year isn't up yet. She cannot rush. However, it's only formal recruitment she can't participate in. She's more than welcome to rush during the COB period in the spring because her year wil be over (provided there is BOB in the spring).

If she is allowed to rush despite this policy, they'd have to extend the same courtesy to anyone who might find themselves in the same boat.

Now, add the reasons trisigmaATL mentioned, multiply it by the number of girls who want out of their pledge agreement, and you have utter chaos.

[FSUZeta]

to quote,"a woman is ineligible for membership recruitment if she has been a new member of an npc fraternity on this campus within the same calendar year."page 79, #3

also,"any woman signing a membership recruitment acceptance and receiving a bid at the end of membership recruitment shall be bound by the agreement for one calendar year if she is at the same college or university."page 80, #13

it appears that this woman would NOT be eligible to join another group until the spring of 2005. hope this helps. lisa

[exlurker]

FSUZeta, excellent GreenBook information! I was pretty sure that somewhere there would be explicit formal interpretations of the Unanimous Agreement. I hope that this specific situation can be resolved in a dignified way for the sake of the individual and the NPC chapters on that campus. What's sad is that there's the possibility that the Greek Life person might, through ignorance, be setting an NPC chapter up for a "violation of the Unanimous Agreements," and I'd guess that most HQs would not like that .

Originally posted by FSUZeta
to quote,"a woman is ineligible for membership recruitment if she has been a new member of an npc fraternity on this campus within the same calendar year."page 79, #3

also,"any woman signing a membership recruitment acceptance and receiving a bid at the end of membership recruitment shall be bound by the agreement for one calendar year if she is at the same college or university."page 80, #13

it appears that this woman would NOT be eligible to join another group until the spring of 2005. hope this helps. lisa

[ISUKappa]

UPDATE!

So I emailed our NPC delegate and she wrote back to me today. She said I was right (hooray!) and to get in touch with the Greek Advisor. She would talk to our first delegate and the NPC area representative and get the situation cleared up.

I called the GA and told him my understanding of NPC policy, he said he'd have to review the policy again but he was under the impression that it only referred to Formal Recruitment. I also told him that someone from NPC might be in contact with him to clarify the situation.

WHEW! So hopefully things will get resolved soon, especially since Recruitment starts TOMORROW!

It's so nice to hear you're right--especially from your NPC delegate!

[Little E]

I'm confused. I thought you were not allowed to accept a bid until one year after you depledge. We had a woman who held over forever, (we didn't deal with it quickly enough) and eventually her bid/ pledgeship expired. She became part of a group trying to colonize an NPC and we were told that she could not pledge (if they affiliated) for one year to the date of her official release from AST. or is it from her date of recieving a bid...?

[33girl]

Originally posted by Little E
I'm confused. I thought you were not allowed to accept a bid until one year after you depledge. We had a woman who held over forever, (we didn't deal with it quickly enough) and eventually her bid/ pledgeship expired. She became part of a group trying to colonize an NPC and we were told that she could not pledge (if they affiliated) for one year to the date of her official release from AST. or is it from her date of recieving a bid...?

One year from her receiving a bid - and it's the "spirit" of the year, not a calendar year (i.e. fall to fall, not September 4 to September 4).

We had some girls who signed open bids but never pledged, the bids just expired.

[Little E]

we had a girl who accepted her bid in march 2001, she pledged, but never initiated. If you don't initiate within one year, you have to be rebid. She was never rebid, so that means she could have recieved a bid immeadiatly after we released her because her original bid was 2001?

[sageofages]

Originally posted by ISUKappa
UPDATE!

So I emailed our NPC delegate and she wrote back to me today. She said I was right (hooray!) and to get in touch with the Greek Advisor. She would talk to our first delegate and the NPC area representative and get the situation cleared up.

I called the GA and told him my understanding of NPC policy, he said he'd have to review the policy again but he was under the impression that it only referred to Formal Recruitment. I also told him that someone from NPC might be in contact with him to clarify the situation.

WHEW! So hopefully things will get resolved soon, especially since Recruitment starts TOMORROW!

It's so nice to hear you're right--especially from your NPC delegate!

Good luck...and much success during Membership Recruitment. I long for the day that Phi Mu is back at Iowa. (ok, so it has been decades...but a girl can dream.)

[33girl]

Originally posted by Little E
we had a girl who accepted her bid in march 2001, she pledged, but never initiated. If you don't initiate within one year, you have to be rebid. She was never rebid, so that means she could have recieved a bid immeadiatly after we released her because her original bid was 2001?

Yes. She could have received a bid in Spring 2002. You didn't need to "release" her as she went a year without initiating and was never rebid - this eliminated any ties between the two parties.

It depends on who told her that about the release date, but if it was one of the nationals looking at the group they may have just used different terminology or just plain didn't want to deal with whether or not she was eligible.