crests

[StumpsGirl]

I have never seen that one and it is very very interesting!!! I really like it!

Crest of Zeta Beta Tau Fraternity

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
I have to agree with Rudey on this point!

Number one, screw off!

Unless you can prove anything, You and Siht!

I am reporting this to My International HDQ!

# 1, LXA does all of the Licensing to Vendors as I am sure all Nat/Int do.

Dude, in the words of a Famous Man, You aint Siht.

"Famous man is me"!

Bite a hunk of a pocket rocket! Get it!

If you keep presenting yourself as such, I am sure you can and will be sued!

Have a good life, sewer rat! Oh, this is just my opinion and not any reflection on anyone else or any Greek Organization.!

http://www.lambdachi.org/merchandise/main.asp

Go to that page. Click on the link that says "here." I think you will find it interesting.

[Tom Earp]

Why thank you!!!

I get on that Site Being a LXA Brother!

I did send this to Our HDQ. Maybe they will check it out for legal action!

Delet this slug for what he or it is!

I find it amazing that someone knows more about My Fraternity than I do!

He can kiss my rear, not the left side, not the right side, but right in the middle!

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Why thank you!!!

I get on that Site Being a LXA Brother!

I did send this to Our HDQ. Maybe they will check it out for legal action!

Delet this slug for what he or it is!

I find it amazing that someone knows more about My Fraternity than I do!

He can kiss my rear, not the left side, not the right side, but right in the middle!

DID YOU CLICK ON THE LINK?

Lambda Chi Alpha uses Greek Licensing to license out their products.

:sighs:

[jharb]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
DID YOU CLICK ON THE LINK?

Lambda Chi Alpha uses Greek Licensing to license out their products.

:sighs:

D'OH!

Reading Comprehension, it's something that should be developed before getting on the internet.

[bruinaphi]

First of all, I am not sure why we are volunteering our crests for someone we don't know who "need[s] them for a piece." Not to sound like a total nut job or anything, but we don't know who this person is and many of our organizations have rules about where our crest can appear.

Second, most of our organizations reserve the right to authorize the use of their name/service marks/trademarks/copyrighted materials/patents outside of Greek Licensing if someone obtains the permission of the (inter)national office in question. I don't know if the person who started this thread has persmission of anyone's national office, but we can't make any assumptions without finding out what they are doing and who they are.

Finally, Calixta, I am curious what you want the crests for and if you have the permission of the groups to use them in your "piece," whatever that may be.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by bruinaphi
First of all, I am not sure why we are volunteering our crests for someone we don't know who "need[s] them for a piece." Not to sound like a total nut job or anything, but we don't know who this person is and many of our organizations have rules about where our crest can appear.

Second, most of our organizations reserve the right to authorize the use of their name/service marks/trademarks/copyrighted materials/patents outside of Greek Licensing if someone obtains the permission of the (inter)national office in question. I don't know if the person who started this thread has persmission of anyone's national office, but we can't make any assumptions without finding out what they are doing and who they are.

Finally, Calixta, I am curious what you want the crests for and if you have the permission of the groups to use them in your "piece," whatever that may be.

What if this person isn't trying to sell something? Then do they need permission? What if it's artwork? People use insignias and logos and modify them under freedom of speech laws every day. And the funniest part? If this person wanted, they could find any seal and logo on the internet probably. It's not a secret is it?

-Rudey

[bruinaphi]

Originally posted by Rudey
What if this person isn't trying to sell something? Then do they need permission? What if it's artwork? People use insignias and logos and modify them under freedom of speech laws every day. And the funniest part? If this person wanted, they could find any seal and logo on the internet probably. It's not a secret is it?

-Rudey

Even if they aren't trying to sell something, Alpha Phi's Constitution requires everyone to get the permission of Alpha Phi International before using our symbols, name, marks, etc.

Someone who uses a copyrighted work in a reasonable manner without the copyright owners' consent may have a defense of "Fair Use." The doctrine of fair use is an equitable rule of reason to be applied where a finding of infringement would either be unfair or undermine "the progress of science and the useful arts." The current Copyright Act sets forth fair use in Section 107 which contains a preamble, gives examples of fair use contexts and provides four broad criteria that must all be applied to determine whether a use is "fair."

Whether parody is entitled to a wider fair use privilege than other uses has been the subject of a long, on-going debate. In one sense, a true parody is not just an ordinary taking because it is a transformative use, a form of criticism or comment, and as such, a use specifically enumerated int he preamble to Section 107. Moreover, the fair use defense is particularly important for the health of this genre because a copyright owner will seldom license a work to be satirized or ridiculed.

The four factors listed in Section 107 are applied to parody just as to any other fair use issue. The cases usually swing on amount and substantiality of the use and the market effect.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally posted by Rudey
What if this person isn't trying to sell something? Then do they need permission? What if it's artwork? People use insignias and logos and modify them under freedom of speech laws every day. And the funniest part? If this person wanted, they could find any seal and logo on the internet probably. It's not a secret is it?

-Rudey

We still technically need permission from our IH to use the logo or anything else (off our international website) on anything else (for example our own chapter website).

But contrary to what DanShaver seems to think, we the individual members of our organizations do not have to be licensed in order to use our own organization's info. AND, we can even buy things from non licensed vendors..........

(yes, we had a HUGE discussion on this at our recent convention so I do know what was discussed and decided)

[Rudey]

In other words you don't know why they need this crest, your organization can't dictate its use in every situation, and this person could most likely find this crest somewhere as it is not a guarded secret?

-Rudey

Originally posted by bruinaphi
Even if they aren't trying to sell something, Alpha Phi's Constitution requires everyone to get the permission of Alpha Phi International before using our symbols, name, marks, etc.

Someone who uses a copyrighted work in a reasonable manner without the copyright owners' consent may have a defense of "Fair Use." The doctrine of fair use is an equitable rule of reason to be applied where a finding of infringement would either be unfair or undermine "the progress of science and the useful arts." The current Copyright Act sets forth fair use in Section 107 which contains a preamble, gives examples of fair use contexts and provides four broad criteria that must all be applied to determine whether a use is "fair."

Whether parody is entitled to a wider fair use privilege than other uses has been the subject of a long, on-going debate. In one sense, a true parody is not just an ordinary taking because it is a transformative use, a form of criticism or comment, and as such, a use specifically enumerated int he preamble to Section 107. Moreover, the fair use defense is particularly important for the health of this genre because a copyright owner will seldom license a work to be satirized or ridiculed.

The four factors listed in Section 107 are applied to parody just as to any other fair use issue. The cases usually swing on amount and substantiality of the use and the market effect.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by SmartBlondeGPhB
We still technically need permission from our IH to use the logo or anything else (off our international website) on anything else (for example our own chapter website).

But contrary to what DanShaver seems to think, we the individual members of our organizations do not have to be licensed in order to use our own organization's info. AND, we can even buy things from non licensed vendors..........

(yes, we had a HUGE discussion on this at our recent convention so I do know what was discussed and decided)

I don't doubt that organizations have rules about how their crests can be used. But rules are limited and crests are out there regardless.

-Rudey

[adpiucf]

I move this thread be deleted. Any symbols of a national GLO are trademarked, and anyone wanting them for the purpose of marketing or academic papers should go through the proper channels. If that person is a member of a GLO, their nationals can provide them with the materials they need for building web sites, putting together stationery, gifts, etc.

ETA: I say this from the perspective of someone who has worked in advertising and marketing in the past. And as was pointed out on a recent thread -I- started in the rush forum, even posting pics from other websites to GC can be considered in violation of webhosting, etc.

[bruinaphi]

Originally posted by Rudey
In other words you don't know why they need this crest, your organization can't dictate its use in every situation, and this person could most likely find this crest somewhere as it is not a guarded secret?

-Rudey

You got the first part correct. Read my first post where I ask why they are using the crests and whether they have permission.

Regarding whether an organization can dictate the use of its marks, you are drawing false conclusions from my post. Fair use is a DEFENSE to a copyright infringement suit. It has not always been held to be a valid defense to unauthorized use.

Yes, someone could find them somewhere online, but why make it easy when this person doesn't want to tell us what they are using the marks for or whether they have permission? Why can't we ask questions before we hand out information? Like I said before a lot of orgs have rules about where crests can be used.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by bruinaphi
You got the first part correct. Read my first post where I ask why they are using the crests and whether they have permission.

Regarding whether an organization can dictate the use of its marks, you are drawing false conclusions from my post. Fair use is a DEFENSE to a copyright infringement suit. It has not always been held to be a valid defense to unauthorized use.

Yes, someone could find them somewhere online, but why make it easy when this person doesn't want to tell us what they are using the marks for or whether they have permission? Why can't we ask questions before we hand out information? Like I said before a lot of orgs have rules about where crests can be used.

Actually how was I not right since I didn't use an absolute statement?

-Rudey

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by adpiucf
I move this thread be deleted. Any symbols of a national GLO are trademarked, and anyone wanting them for the purpose of marketing or academic papers should go through the proper channels. If that person is a member of a GLO, their nationals can provide them with the materials they need for building web sites, putting together stationery, gifts, etc.

ETA: I say this from the perspective of someone who has worked in advertising and marketing in the past. And as was pointed out on a recent thread -I- started in the rush forum, even posting pics from other websites to GC can be considered in violation of webhosting, etc.

I move to second this motion.