Brak Obama!

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Are you saying that I can't have an opinion because I don't live in Illinois?

You can have an opinion, but in this case, it doesn't count.

[xo_kathy]

Well, as Epitome said "he has the ability to reach out to ALL communities. Which is important for people". He's not running for Senate in my state, so I hadn't heard about him nor did I know anything about his ideas before hearing him speak last night. He doesn't even hold public office yet so we can't really expound on the great things he has done - we can only be hopeful for what he can acheive. I enjoyed him and he makes me excited for the future.

You don't like him or his party or his ideas. That's ground shaking, too.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Personally, I'm tired of people trying to downplay Barack. I guess that's the con of being on top of your game. People will find ANY and EVERY thing wrong with you to try to bring you down. Same thing with Harold Washington and he was perhaps the best Mayor Chicago will ever see.

I find a LOT of substance in his plan of action for the state of illinois. Sorry, I cannot give it to you verbatim. I have seen him debate with other canidates and he is just what our state and country need.

My comment about you not living in Illinois means that since you don't see anything spectacular about him you don't have to voting for or against him.

The page you showed me was just a platform that stated a few Democratic platform issues. Nothing of substance. Just BS from what I've seen so far.

I haven't said there's anything wrong with him. Please don't get me wrong. I'm just trying to see what makes him so special that he's the Democratic keynote speaker. He's a relatively new face to the party. I thought his speach was relatively entertaining, but so what?

I'm glad you see the substance in him though. I will tell you that most people don't. These days, folks are elected more on charisma and a great smile than they are on real issues. I think the major networks starting to show less and less of politicians will be a big help in that area actually.

[TheEpitome1920]

Well I strongly suggest that anyone who is interested in learning more about Barack visit his website. On there you will learn more about his background and what he HAS done as representative of the 13th district in Chicago as well as chairman of Public Health and Welfare committee. He is a man of substance and vision.

obamaforillinois.com


My name is Epitome and I approve this message! OBAMA IN '04!

[sageofages]

Originally posted by xo_kathy
Well, as Epitome said "he has the ability to reach out to ALL communities. Which is important for people". He's not running for Senate in my state, so I hadn't heard about him nor did I know anything about his ideas before hearing him speak last night. He doesn't even hold public office yet so we can't really expound on the great things he has done - we can only be hopeful for what he can acheive. I enjoyed him and he makes me excited for the future.

You don't like him or his party or his ideas. That's ground shaking, too.

He is a member of the State of Illinois State Senate, a public office. I think his education and public service experience is outstanding.

When I listened to him last night, I was overwhelmed. I think he is definitely someone to watch for future great things...including an elected position at the highest levels.

[Eclipse]

Originally posted by ktsnake

I haven't said there's anything wrong with him. Please don't get me wrong. I'm just trying to see what makes him so special that he's the Democratic keynote speaker. He's a relatively new face to the party. I thought his speach was relatively entertaining, but so what?

As I am sure you know, control of the Senate is important for either party. Osoma gained 54% of the vote in a 6 person field during the Democratic primary. No one expected him to do that, especially when one of his opponents, according to an interview with him on PBS, spent 30M of his own money on the campaign. Pundits have also stated that his campaign crossed many historical boundaries in Illinois like "down state" vs. "upstate" (I have no idea what that means), racial (he carried many majority white districts) and urban vs. suburban. Evidently, because of his style and substance (after however many years in the State Senate) Dems think he a face to watch, so they put him out front. Plus, since he was practically given a gift by freaky deaky Ryan he will probably be the next Senator from the great state of Illinois.

Let's be honest, how much real substance do you see at political conventions anyway? They are now more coronations than anything else and a televised opportunity to excite the faithful and hopefully sway those on the fence. Plus, conventions are about trotting out different looks/backgrounds to say "see how we cover the REAL America!" Note the Islamic Iman that gave the benediction last night, the Muslim woman who lost her daughter (I think) in 9/11 from the other night, the guy in the wheelchair (sorry I don't remember his name). I expect the Republicans to do the same thing. As I recall, they had several no-name African Americans speak at the last convention to highlight their inclusiveness.

Finally, let's not dismiss the power of articulating a compelling message. Ronald Regan was called the Great Communicator after all and I dare say he was as popular as he was because he was able to make many people feel good about being Americans.

[Kevin]

I grant to you that the conventions have lost all real importance. The platform has been written by anonymous consultants long before the convention starts up. It's more like a rock concert/networking opportunity than anything else.

It's frustrating to see everyone getting sidetracked with presentation and charisma when the issues are so damned important.

The Democrats have a pretty fine chance of picking up a Senate seat here in Oklahoma as well. There is probably a 2:1 ratio of Democrats that vote in this state over Republicans. Strangely, we usually elect Republican Reps and Senators. Last night's primary had around 250K people vote for the Dem primary that was a foregone conclusion anyhow where the hotly contested Rep. primary probably only had 150K voters. If people vote along party lines, the Dems can definitely chalk up another seat here.

An interesting note though, Dr. Tom Coburn, the Republican Candidate is a Sigma Nu from Oklahoma State



As for the no-name AA's speaking at the Republican convention, at least these no-names have important real positions within their party (e.g. secretary of state) -- the Dems can't claim that

[Eclipse]

Originally posted by ktsnake

As for the no-name AA's speaking at the Republican convention, at least these no-names have important real positions within their party (e.g. secretary of state) -- the Dems can't claim that

When I said no-names I was not speaking of Powell or Rice. There were others as well. Their names, of course, are just a distant memory now.

[Eclipse]

Originally posted by ktsnake


It's frustrating to see everyone getting sidetracked with presentation and charisma when the issues are so damned important.

I don't think everyone is getting sidetracked. He spoke--broadly of course-- (how much time did he have?? 10 - 15 minutes??) in themes. Presidents do this when they give their state of the union address as well. Have you ever watched a senate congressional hearing or read a bill that is up for vote? That's the substance, and I can tell ya, for most people it makes pretty dull TV. The networks do all of the behind the scenes looks, trot out all of the commentators to make it interesting for most people. It's not a Dem or a Repub thing. It's an American thing.

[moe.ron]

I've herd clips on BBC. Man, this is one charismatic man.

[Rudey]

Only his dad is black. Could he be the next Tiger Woods??

-Rudey

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by Rudey
Only his dad is black. Could he be the next Tiger Woods??

-Rudey

Not only black, but also an immigrant from Kenya. His education credential is very impressive.

BA- Colombia
JD - Harvard
President of the Harvard Law Review

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Not only black, but also an immigrant from Kenya. His education credential is very impressive.

BA- Colombia
JD - Harvard
President of the Harvard Law Review

Eh...the immigrant and black thing is barely anything worthy of writing about.

The Harvard law review was the only thing worthy.

Is he smart? Yes.

Are smart guys the ones that dominate politics? Not really.

In terms of Chicago I find it funny that a guy who has made the securities industry what it is today ran against a powerful investment banker who left to teach at a south side black school and against a lawyer with teaching experience at UChicago.

-Rudey
--His joke about his name is the most annoying and old joke now

[honeychile]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Not only black, but also an immigrant from Kenya. His education credential is very impressive.

BA- Colombia
JD - Harvard
President of the Harvard Law Review

In that case, he wouldn't be eligible to be Vice President, would he? Or could he run, but in an emergency, be passed over for the Presidency?

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
My name is Epitome and I approve this message! OBAMA IN '04!

ROTFL!!!!!

[Senusret I]

His Bio here says he was born in Hawai'i. http://www.legis.state.il.us/Senate/...p?MemberID=747

His dad is the one who is an immigrant.