Conduct Becoming of A Sorority Girl

[James]

Let me change the question a little:

If you were Ms. Standards for your entire chapter, what would you hold people's feet to the fire for?

Would you recomend expelling them for posing for playboy?

Would you recomend expelling them for taking their clothes off in a Steven Spielbergh Movie?

Drug use?

Alcohol use?

Shacking with 3 or 4 partners or more a semester?

What would you do and for what?

[sdsuchelle]

Would you recomend expelling them for posing for playboy? No, thats a personal decision and as long as they're not advertising their letters in the pictorial, I don't see the big deal. Then again I like Playboy.

Would you recomend expelling them for taking their clothes off in a Steven Spielbergh Movie? No. It's art.

Drug use? If it was a huge problem (i.e. not just ocassional marijuana use), then probably.

Alcohol use? Again, not unless it was a huge issue or they were doing it in letters on a regular basis.

Shacking with 3 or 4 partners or more a semester? No, that's none of the sorority's business.

[ChildoftheHorn]

OK, as far as the whole sex thing goes....
Someone once told me:
If someone slept with another sister's boyfriend, its not a reason to be brought up. That is their own business to take care of, not ours.
If a girl sleeps with the whole football team and now everyone thinks that (some group) are sluts, then that is our problem.
We have a lot of rules on drinking. First and foremost, no where near the house or any other place near the sorority quads - no matter the age. You will be thrown out or denied to any event and even the house if you are drunk or had been drinking. Even if you are of age, no pictures unless it is at a public place where everyone is 21+. You are responsible for any dates you have at any events. If your date is drunk or does drugs just prior or at the event, its almost like if you had done it.

There are some people on the war path about this stuff at my school and one sorority has already been suspended from social activities for a full year.
Mostly because of pics on facebook!

The plain and simple thing is that if you wouldn't do it in front of grandma or that grandma would be ashamed, then don't do it.

[AOIIalum]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

BUT, these women also chose to be members of organizations with standards.

Very well said. No one is forcing you to join a sorority, so by joining and remaining a member you are agreeing to abide by the standards (aka rules) of the organization.

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

Originally Posted by sdsuchelle

Would you recomend expelling them for posing for playboy? No, thats a personal decision and as long as they're not advertising their letters in the pictorial, I don't see the big deal. Then again I like Playboy.

Would you recomend expelling them for taking their clothes off in a Steven Spielbergh Movie? No. It's art.

Drug use? If it was a huge problem (i.e. not just ocassional marijuana use), then probably.

Alcohol use? Again, not unless it was a huge issue or they were doing it in letters on a regular basis.

Shacking with 3 or 4 partners or more a semester? No, that's none of the sorority's business.

1. If she tied her letters to it, yes. If she didn't even say she was in a sorority...I don't know. I don't have a problem with Playboy but I know some sisters would.
2. Again...letters?
3. Letters? Dealing? Smoking/snorting in public (like at a party) or doing it in chapter housing...yes. But there's something to be said here...if NO ONE knows, then how can you get in trouble? In other words, keep it to yourself. Then it can't be a problem.
4. Letters? Drunk to the point of blackout consistently? Causing them to do things like the aforementioned sex on the pool table? First I personally would like to offer them help, like support in going to an AA meeting. If they wouldn't accept that and wouldn't change their behavior then yeah...see yeah.

[CASIGKAP]

Originally posted by James
Let me change the question a little:

If you were Ms. Standards for your entire chapter, what would you hold people's feet to the fire for?

Would you expell them for posing for playboy?

Would you expell them for taking their clothes off in a Steven Spielbergh Movie?

Drug use?

Alcohol use?

Shacking with 3 or 4 partners or more a semester?

What would you do and for what?

If I were in charge of standards, I would hold them accountable for things like public drunkenness (sp?) during an official exchange or SK function. I would not have to expel them for posing in Playboy b/c it is not up to the individual person to decide if they can be expelled or not. It's a chapter & advisors decision. I would not expel them for removing their clothes in a movie b/c I highly doubt that they would be wearing their letters during the making of the movie. However, at that level, it would be up to HQ & not the chapter.
Drug & alcohol use is not a reason for expulsion. One would hope that her fellow sisters would care enough to help the sister to recover from these addictions.
As for shacking, that is really a private matter that is no one elses business but the lady in question. However, if she were to be doing that in the house when men are not allowed there especially after hours, she could and would be brought up to standards. You only get 3 chances before you are expelled.

[CASIGKAP]

Here's a question then for the guys. What would it take for a gentleman to be expelled from a fraternity?

Would he be expelled for drinking? Yeah I know this is a ridiculous question but I LOATHE double standards & wonder if the same rules apply.

Would a guy be expelled for shacking up with more than 3 ladies in a semester? We had a situation before where a fraternity guy had a girl in one sorority but lied to a member of another one & hooked up with her. Needless to say, he was busted but he's still hanging around campus, the sleaze.

What about a guy who appears in porn? Would he be praised or expelled?

Just curious. Thanks!

[D_Chi_Zinni]

Originally posted by CASIGKAP
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Would a guy be expelled for shacking up with more than 3 ladies in a semester? We had a situation before where a fraternity guy had a girl in one sorority but lied to a member of another one & hooked up with her. Needless to say, he was busted but he's still hanging around campus, the sleaze.

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I thought that it was encouraged?

[CASIGKAP]

LOL

You're absolutely right. What on earth made me ask such an incredibly dumb question?

You gotta love those double standards.

[LuvUTrulyKKG]

Originally posted by AlphaPhiBubbles


I'd also like to point out that I wouldnt only take into consideration things you are doing while in actual letters or para., because people might already know you belong to a certain org or a sorority/fraternity in general and if you are acting dumb they still might think its a reflection on the group...the same way as if you were wearing letters.

I'd like to ditto that!! I think all members of GLOs should keep in mind that while they may not be wearing anything greek-related, they are always wearing their set of "invisible letters"! People know who belongs to what group and usually associates their behavior, good or bad, with that organization!

[winneythepooh7]

About 3 or 4 years ago I went to an alumnae wknd for my org. There was a rumor that one of the new members was a stripper and all the other frats and GLO's knew about her. My alumnae sisters and I were very upset. I had heard that the girl never completed the new member process though and I was very happy with that. Supposedly this all came out or something in the beginning of the process. While I have nothing against strippers I think there are some standards that should be held and allowing a stripper that everyone is aware of into MY organization at least really bothers me. Especially because I know for a fact that some of the frats at my school sent their pledges on scavenger hunts to local strip clubs. Call me old fashioned but I think there are other ways to pay for school other then taking your clothes off and I would never support this in my organization.

[Diamond Delta]

Originally posted by James
Well what about posing for playboy? Versus say taking your clothes off in a movie? Conduct unbecoming a sorority girl?

I read a few years ago that Tri Delt cancelled the membership of a women who posed in a magazine (not sure if it was playboy or not) nude. She was suing Tr0delt for all her dues money etc. back. I am sure she did not win, and shouldn't.

But, why is that any diferent than Ashley Judd being naked in a movie and KKG hasn't revoked her membership.

I'll tell you the difference-one was an alumna and one was an active when it happened. When you are an alumna-short of stealing money from Nationals, you can pretty much do anything.

[CASIGKAP]

Originally posted by Diamond Delta
I read a few years ago that Tri Delt cancelled the membership of a women who posed in a magazine (not sure if it was playboy or not) nude. She was suing Tr0delt for all her dues money etc. back. I am sure she did not win, and shouldn't.

But, why is that any diferent than Ashley Judd being naked in a movie and KKG hasn't revoked her membership.

I'll tell you the difference-one was an alumna and one was an active when it happened. When you are an alumna-short of stealing money from Nationals, you can pretty much do anything.

Well, it also helps that Ashley Judd is a bonafide movie star I'm sure. Besides, it's not as if she made these movies while she was an active.
I always thought that alumna's could pretty much get away with anything short of murder.

[33girl]

Originally posted by winneythepooh7
About 3 or 4 years ago I went to an alumnae wknd for my org. There was a rumor that one of the new members was a stripper and all the other frats and GLO's knew about her. My alumnae sisters and I were very upset. I had heard that the girl never completed the new member process though and I was very happy with that. Supposedly this all came out or something in the beginning of the process. While I have nothing against strippers I think there are some standards that should be held and allowing a stripper that everyone is aware of into MY organization at least really bothers me. Especially because I know for a fact that some of the frats at my school sent their pledges on scavenger hunts to local strip clubs. Call me old fashioned but I think there are other ways to pay for school other then taking your clothes off and I would never support this in my organization.

Was it a rumor or confirmed? I'd hate to think this girl was racked over the coals and felt like she had to quit because of a rumor. Unless I saw her stripping, I'd question it.

[kaydeelady83]

Originally posted by Diamond Delta
I read a few years ago that Tri Delt cancelled the membership of a women who posed in a magazine (not sure if it was playboy or not) nude. She was suing Tr0delt for all her dues money etc. back. I am sure she did not win, and shouldn't.

There's been some discussion on other threads about problems with confidentiality and former members. Someone pointed out that gratuitous promises, e.g., oaths of secrecy, tend to not be legally binding. Would there be some benefit to making a deal with a member was being disaffiliated? For example, she signed a nondisclosure agreement in exchange for receiving a refund of some of the fees she'd paid?