Canada - Facts and Info

[bcdphie]

Originally posted by phigamucsb


For one, why has your government outlawed the Fox News Channel and dished out hefty fines to those Canadian citizens that wish to watch FNC transmitted via their satellites.

I think either you misheard or misread something, you have been misinformed somewhere or that you need tell somebody to pull the other one, because it has bells on it...

I have never heard of the Canadian gov't outlawing a TV station. I can understand if they had to choose between placing a Cdn News Station and a US one, but that wouldn't outlaw it. There are a number of regulations regarding Canadian content in programming, so maybe the quota for US stations was met.

As far as fining Canadians who do watch it - that's a load of bull. Obviously the ministry of Heritage encourages us to watch Cdn stations and Cdn content, but they would never fine someone.

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by bcdphie
I think either you misheard or misread something, you have been misinformed somewhere or that you need tell somebody to pull the other one, because it has bells on it...

I have never heard of the Canadian gov't outlawing a TV station. I can understand if they had to choose between placing a Cdn News Station and a US one, but that wouldn't outlaw it. There are a number of regulations regarding Canadian content in programming, so maybe the quota for US stations was met.

As far as fining Canadians who do watch it - that's a load of bull. Obviously the ministry of Heritage encourages us to watch Cdn stations and Cdn content, but they would never fine someone.

Canadians are being fined for watching Fox News because they are getting the station illegally. bcdphie is right when she said that TV shows in Canada have to have Canadian content. When US primetime shows are broadcast here, they are streamed with the Canadian simucast with the Canadian stations that are also showing them, complete with Canadian commercials. Some US cable channels would sometimes show Canadian commercials as well. MSNBC is available on digital cable here and is called MSNBC Canada.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by phigamucsb
Maybe that's b/c Canada has no military presence. Their national defense is the U.S. and they don't even have to pay a penny (must be pretty nice). As long as Canada doesn't do something to threaten America's national security, they can rest assured that no foreign country will invade our neighbor. The U.S. seeks stability in regions throughout the world, especially its own.

I'm not trying to harp on you RA, but I have noticed some distirbing trends lately in Canada. For one, why has your government outlawed the Fox News Channel and dished out hefty fines to those Canadian citizens that wish to watch FNC transmitted via their satellites. Next, why does the Canadian government allow such loose immigration policies to exist. These policies put both our countries at risk (i.e. Madrid, Spain). Finally, I'm not sure if a ruling has been made on the American deserter situation, but Canada needs to react in a more timely fashion so that the Army deserters may be tried accordingly.

Wow... stop listen to O'Riley it rots your brain....

This site is actaully aimed at people like you, to actual inform you about the facts not the myths...

Okay seriously did you visit the website or any of the linked sites? Because you must have missed the military info section or the international deployment section. As for not paying a penny... I have no idea how to respond to that... just wow... so how do we pay for our military, peacekeeping, NORAD, NATO, or any of the other multi-national orgs? Is if from defense contracts to the US maybe? Selling our military designs and equipment to the Marines? Oh wait... do you actually think the US gives Canada money for it's military? HAHAHAHAHA oh thats rich... classic

Second you obviously didn't read the section regarding immigration or border security did you.... oh wait your one of the guys who thinks that the terrorsists came from Canada right? As far as I'm aware our immigration polices closely match yours... and in fact we have per captia less illegal (or unregistered) immigrants... I recommend you go back and visit the site AND READ IT; look for links regarding immigration please.

Third the fining of people who use ILLEGAL dishes to recieve FOX New is because of the dish and not the channel.... their are laws regarding Canadian content on the TV, radio, or print media. The reason FOX News wasn't available (they will be next year apparently as FOX News Canada) is that they wouldn't budge on the Canadian content... although CNN, Al Jazeraa, BBC, MSNBC and the rest seemed to be agreeable to at least showing Canadian commercials..... and now so has FOX News apparently

As for the deserters... guess what we are another country with our own laws and values. People can seek assulm if they can prove that if returned to their country of origin they will be prosectuted for their beliefs, sexual oreintation, religion, culture; or will face "un-due" hardship. So if the deserters are conciensus objectors or pacifits they qualify... because we as a country require that our soldiers are volunteers (so if you say are Serbian and your unit was to be deployed to Serbia you could object and not go, and "get-out" with no strings attached.. the same applies for pacifits). I am aware of some of these so-called "deserters"... for example the Sgt. who "deserted" after she came home on compassion leave; both her and her husband are (were) serving in Iraq and their children were in the care of the grandmother in BC, but then the grandmother slipped into a diabetic comma.... the military gave this woman one week leave and she deserted to care for her children. So guess what the government has given her aid... and I say rightly so.

[kappaloo]

Originally posted by RACooper

Third the fining of people who use ILLEGAL dishes to recieve FOX New is because of the dish and not the channel.... their are laws regarding Canadian content on the TV, radio, or print media. The reason FOX News wasn't available (they will be next year apparently as FOX News Canada) is that they wouldn't budge on the Canadian content... although CNN, Al Jazeraa, BBC, MSNBC and the rest seemed to be agreeable to at least showing Canadian commercials..... and now so has FOX News apparently

I saw a bit on something similar on FOX news on my trip. One of the anchors was interviewing a Canadian journalist about the supposed hatred of FOX news in Canada (I didn't see too much of it).... the Canadians here will find this funny - he was interviewing a journalist from the TORONTO SUN! HAHAHAHAHA

[Rudey]

I hear in Canada they keep students back in high school so you end up going to high school for 13 years. I guess RACooper will find he is in good company with many other students who are held back and aging.

-Rudey

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by Rudey
I hear in Canada they keep students back in high school so you end up going to high school for 13 years. I guess RACooper will find he is in good company with many other students who are held back and aging.

-Rudey

Grade 13 no longer exists in Ontario. In any case, even when the fifth year existed, the students were not being held back at all. High school simply took five years to complete. Think of it like a post-grad year that some people take in prep schools. (Post graduate years now exist in a couple of private schools in Ontario, for students who might want to take extra courses or upgrade their skills) High school ends in Grade 12 now, just like every other province, excluding Quebec (their system, oddly enough is similar to the school system in the UK, with high school starting in Grade 7 and ending in Grade 11. This is followed by CEGEP, which when completed, is equivilant to the first year of university. Students with two years of CEGEP enter university with their first year credits completed).

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Taualumna
Grade 13 no longer exists in Ontario. In any case, even when the fifth year existed, the students were not being held back at all. High school simply took five years to complete. Think of it like a post-grad year that some people take in prep schools. (Post graduate years now exist in a couple of private schools in Ontario, for students who might want to take extra courses or upgrade their skills) High school ends in Grade 12 now, just like every other province, excluding Quebec (their system, oddly enough is similar to the school system in the UK, with high school starting in Grade 7 and ending in Grade 11. This is followed by CEGEP, which when completed, is equivilant to the first year of university. Students with two years of CEGEP enter university with their first year credits completed).

It's not something I'd be proud of...you know, spending extra time in high shcool to...upgrade my skills.

-Rudey

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Rudey
It's not something I'd be proud of...you know, spending extra time in high shcool to...upgrade my skills.

-Rudey

Beats the hell out of the majority of people who have no skills at all.

[kappaloo]

Originally posted by Rudey
It's not something I'd be proud of...you know, spending extra time in high shcool to...upgrade my skills.

-Rudey

It actually replaced the "common" first year of university that many American universities offer. In fact, most Ontario universities preferred all American applicants to take first year at home before being admitted to the school. Of course, great SAT scores or AP courses could also be used.

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by kappaloo
It actually replaced the "common" first year of university that many American universities offer. In fact, most Ontario universities preferred all American applicants to take first year at home before being admitted to the school. Of course, great SAT scores or AP courses could also be used.

Which is also why fewer Ontario universities recognize AP compared with schools in other provinces. My high school has had an excellent AP program for years (and they still do) but the girls weren't able to use their credits in Ontario.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by kappaloo
It actually replaced the "common" first year of university that many American universities offer. In fact, most Ontario universities preferred all American applicants to take first year at home before being admitted to the school. Of course, great SAT scores or AP courses could also be used.

What is the common first year?

Seriously is this the Canadian version of special education? I can see that.

-Rudey
--Americans demand to know!

[phigamucsb]

I would have to disagree with you on your statement involving the American deserters. These deserters are much different than the American men who fled Canada to dodge the draft (draft dodgers were civilians). Pacifists, the two men in question joined the Army voluntarily, they were not drafted. I don't know about you, but in America joining the military means that there is a possibility that you will see some type of action.
Right now the Canadian govt. is slapping American's in the face, and if the deserters aren't returned Canada is going to have many upset Americans (e.g. The French have lost millions and millions of dollars for their undermining statements and policies. Right now the French are dealing with a large recession). I have no problem with dissent concerning the war, but your government has no right to offer these SOLDIERS assylum.

Regarding your statements about immigration you are incorrect. Currently upon arrival to Canada, immigrants are provided with money, health care, and are not even screened for up until six months. That's right the government doesn't screen the immigrants until they have a chance to. I'm not saying that America does a good job with immigration, but your government actually has these people right in front of the them asking for financial assistance.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by phigamucsb
I would have to disagree with you on your statement involving the American deserters. These deserters are much different than the American men who fled Canada to dodge the draft (draft dodgers were civilians). Pacifists, the two men in question joined the Army voluntarily, they were not drafted. I don't know about you, but in America joining the military means that there is a possibility that you will see some type of action.
Right now the Canadian govt. is slapping American's in the face, and if the deserters aren't returned Canada is going to have many upset Americans (e.g. The French have lost millions and millions of dollars for their undermining statements and policies. Right now the French are dealing with a large recession). I have no problem with dissent concerning the war, but your government has no right to offer these SOLDIERS assylum.

One there are well over two dozen "deserters" sheltered in Canada currently.. some refused to fight because they are Muslim and found the attitudes of the Amercian pulbic and military towards Mulsims in the Middle East and Iraq in paticular disturbing to say the least. Others "deserted" because they were conciencus objectors to the War with Iraq (a position that this country still supports) and as such recieved assylum because they would have been forced to violate thier beliefs if they remained in the US. I have talked to a few that have been to UofT and I can't say I agree with their reasons, but I can say I agree with the decision of the government to provide them with assylum... whether that assylum will be permenant or not is a matter for the courts....

As for slapping the American government's face... so what, the Canadian government and legal system has been treated in the same manner by the American government too... Canada doesn't support the death-penalty (along with most of the "free-world") and is legal bound not to deport anyone who will face the death-penalty.. so if we deport someone to the US who faces the death-penalty, Canada requires legal assurances that the person in question will not be executed or threated with execution... but as it stands the US is still the largest violator of this provison.

Regarding your statements about immigration you are incorrect. Currently upon arrival to Canada, immigrants are provided with money, health care, and are not even screened for up until six months. That's right the government doesn't screen the immigrants until they have a chance to. I'm not saying that America does a good job with immigration, but your government actually has these people right in front of the them asking for financial assistance.

Guess what all people recieve health care in Canada, even the tourists.. so why shouldn't immigrants or refugees. Now as for the sreening process there are two distinct catagories of people seeking to settle in Canada: Immigrants and Refugees. Immigrantion is a process handled before the actual arrival of the immigrant.. ie. initial security checks and such are done prior to arrival, based on the information provided. Post-arrival secondary checks are performed six-months later on some of the immigrants "flagged" by security, intelligence, or criminal investigation units. Refugees on the other hand give no prior warning to their arrival, so the security and background checks are handled differently. Current policy is to provide comfort and care to all refugee claimants with security checks being performed while they are in Canada... sometimes these checks turn-up the fact that they entered Canada under false pretenses and they are deported... while the system isn't perfect (nothing every is) it is in keeping with the international obligations and traditions of Canada.... once again please visit the site and follow links in order to be provided with more detailed and official documentation.

[CanadianTeke]

I don't think Assylum has actually been granted, the last i heard it was before the courts. When you claim refugee status (or assylum same legal category) you have to prove it is necessary, if it is deemed that assylum won't be granted then you can appeal as far as the Supreme Court, these soldiers could be inside of the Canadian legal system for the next 10 years. This is perfectly legitimate, the Canadian government and our legal system should not be America's whipping boy, we have our own constitution and inalienable rights and no pressure from an outside government, friend or foe should change that.

[moe.ron]

Chill with the personal attacks.

If you want to engaged in personal attacks, use PM.