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Old 06-08-2004, 03:05 PM
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My sister-in-law's mother was a "guinea pig" for stem cell research a few years ago. Because the treatment, she was able to live a few more months (she died of causes unrelated to her illness) and got to spend time with her family and friends.
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Old 06-08-2004, 03:35 PM
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Seeing how much good could be made of this technology, it's puzzling to me why the religious establishment seems to be so strongly against it. Are there any religious people here that could give us explanations as to why this practice seems to be considered immoral by so many? I think it's immoral NOT to do it.
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Old 06-08-2004, 03:38 PM
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Now I am just guessing here, but it might have something to do with the fact that they think abortion is immoral. Since stem cells come for aborted fetuses, and to them abortion is wrong, it therefore automatically makes stem cell research wrong.
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Old 06-08-2004, 03:42 PM
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There are so many legal abortions every year, what would be the possible incentive for your scenario honeychile?

It would only become an issue if abortion were made ilegal again, and I had to get out my clothes hanger and draino and charge 500 bucks to help women do what they are going to do otherwise.

In fact, stem cell research is so promising that i think we should take a pro-lifer out and beat him in public naked with a wet noodle for every person that dies because they delay this research out of their inability to seperate issues in their own minds.

I realize that most absolute fudnamentalists have had their ability to critically think severely stunted, but please.

This is almost as bad as Christian scientists that let their children die.



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My family is pro-life. My father had a series of neurological problems, and was one of the early "guinea pigs" for botox. But when he was offered stem cells, he turned them down.

I see nothing wrong with creating some sort of medical bank to preserve umbilical cords, but once stem cell research becomes legal/acceptable, you're going to have thousands of women having babies aborted for spare parts. I can only pray that we never morally sink so low!
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Old 06-08-2004, 03:44 PM
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Now I am just guessing here, but it might have something to do with the fact that they think abortion is immoral. Since stem cells come for aborted fetuses, and to them abortion is wrong, it therefore automatically makes stem cell research wrong.
I guess if religion was 100% logical, they wouldn't talk about "faith" so much..
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Old 06-08-2004, 03:44 PM
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It would only become an issue if abortion were made illegal again
That pretty much sums it up for me. If there are going to be abortions, we might as well take something positive from it. If abortions became illegal again, I would have to significantly alter my stance.
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Old 06-08-2004, 06:50 PM
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Old 06-08-2004, 07:58 PM
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There are so many legal abortions every year, what would be the possible incentive for your scenario honeychile?

It would only become an issue if abortion were made ilegal again, and I had to get out my clothes hanger and draino and charge 500 bucks to help women do what they are going to do otherwise.

In fact, stem cell research is so promising that i think we should take a pro-lifer out and beat him in public naked with a wet noodle for every person that dies because they delay this research out of their inability to seperate issues in their own minds.

I realize that most absolute fudnamentalists have had their ability to critically think severely stunted, but please.

This is almost as bad as Christian scientists that let their children die.
There are a LOT of things that are legal, but not moral. What would be the travesty is the person who is totally against abortion accepting the stem cells from an aborted child for his own reasons. That brings a new level to hypocrisy.

As for your argument that women will have abortions whether or not it's legal, I would respond that murder will always happen, but it's still illegal.

I also resent your insult to my intelligence. Being a woman of faith does not make me an imbecile, although I sometimes feel like one, responding to such posts.

You keep your special brand of "morality" and I'll stick to mine. That way, we'll both be able to sleep at night!
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Old 06-08-2004, 08:09 PM
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Well good, don't have an abortion and you will never be in conflict with your morality.

And let your God punish other transgressors against your morality. Why usurp his role? If you are comfortable with being right in an absolute sense than you will be vindicated later after you/they die.

Note: this only really applies when you support legislation to enforce your morality on others. If you are just expressing a viewpoint, thats totally different

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I also resent your insult to my intelligence. Being a woman of faith does not make me an imbecile, although I sometimes feel like one, responding to such posts.

You keep your special brand of "morality" and I'll stick to mine. That way, we'll both be able to sleep at night!
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Old 06-08-2004, 08:20 PM
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ALL legislation enforces someone else's morals/values/ideas on society. That's what it is. I don't necessarily disagree with people doing that. Without morals, what would guide us in making laws?

What bothers me though is legislating according to one specific religion in a country that welcomes many religions. We are not ruled by the Christian Taliban. Let's keep it that way, please?
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Old 06-08-2004, 08:27 PM
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Well, if women are going to have abortions anyway, at least something good can come out of it. I support this practice. Am I still pro-life now? lol
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Old 06-08-2004, 09:53 PM
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Well, if women are going to have abortions anyway, at least something good can come out of it. I support this practice. Am I still pro-life now? lol
Probably more so, since the use of stem cells can save and improve human lives.
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Old 06-08-2004, 10:32 PM
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What bothers me though is legislating according to one specific religion in a country that welcomes many religions. We are not ruled by the Christian Taliban. Let's keep it that way, please?
I don't think I've ever agreed with anything more than this.
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Old 06-09-2004, 12:03 AM
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Stem cell research comprises a large part of the real incentive to continue modern medical research.

If you're against it, provide me a reason beyond "God hates it" - this is the most 'pro-life' thing on the planet.

Or does God's law only apply to unborn children?
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Old 06-09-2004, 12:46 AM
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People don't understand that the research will be done anyway. Except instead of our country being the best in science, now we're playing catchup to fricking Korea.

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