Extension criteria....

[33girl]

Gee, I missed the teachers' college slam because I was too busy clearing up the APO misconception.

I guess the organizations that were founded at teachers' colleges should just roll up and die. But in all seriousness, there is no such thing as a teachers' college anymore. All the schools that used to be TCs are now state colleges or universities.

[GeekyPenguin]

TKE is at lots of former teachers' colleges. Intriguing, intriguing, especially since these chapters all chartered right around when Mr. Conard was travelling.

[Erik P Conard]

Are some of you brain-dead or what? The "slam" made about
"teachers' colleges" was in jest. I just wrote a complimentary article on Sigma Tau Gamma...founded at a TC.
The last college in America to bear the name State Teachers College was in Emporia, Kansas...The Kansas State Teachers
College of Emporia.
I received a Bachelor of Science in Education from there, 1960
Get real!

[33girl]

Perhaps you need to employ the following:

[sarcasm] Insert insult about school or GLO here[/sarcasm]

as things are evidently not coming across the way you mean to say them.

But I really don't think that's the case, as you used the term "less-selective" (and not in quotes) to refer to TKE and their colonizing at teachers' colleges. That sounded like a slam to me.

I think that you are the one who needs to "get real" and rethink some of the things you say.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by 33girl
Perhaps you need to employ the following:

[sarcasm] Insert insult about school or GLO here[/sarcasm]

as things are evidently not coming across the way you mean to say them.

But I really don't think that's the case, as you used the term "less-selective" (and not in quotes) to refer to TKE and their colonizing at teachers' colleges. That sounded like a slam to me.

I think that you are the one who needs to "get real" and rethink some of the things you say.

Can you remove the quote from your signature?

-Rudey
--Thanks

[33girl]

NOT TILL YOU TELL ME WHY RUDITH!!

[Kevin]

Some of y'all amaze me. He wasn't making a dig at anyone really. He was simply stating the fact that TKE, STG, and other groups have different colonization criteria than other NIC groups. What's wrong with that? I think we are assigning our own negative connotations to the word "selective" and interpreting his meaning to have been a slap in our faces.

Next time, why not be sure of someone's meaning before you respond in such an aggressive way.

This isn't aimed at any particular person. This is just a general observation on how people have been responding to Mr. Conard's posts.

For the record though, STG's practices of colonizing at smaller schools has actually yielded them some very positive results. They have a great chapter at the University of Central Oklahoma (a former teacher's college).

[Erik P Conard]

33 girl...I have not used the cutesy faces, sarcasm especially.
I am shocked that some of you could not see through my TC
comments...me being a Teke and a former fielder and all.
And, Rudey, get back in traction (sarcasm)
TKE pioneered the NIC ones into the teachers' colleges in '41
with Ft Hays...and took a lot of heat for the next twenty years
even from some of the outfits you-all belong to.
I went on the road in '57 and back to school for a 1960 degree from...get this...Kansas State Teachers College of Emporia, KS
now known as Emporia State University.
And, swifties, do some diggin' and find out who either colonized
or affiliated a local at:
California State Teachers--PA
Slippery Rock State--PA
Lock Haven State--PA
Clarion State--PA
Southern Oregon
and assisted TKE in entering
Shippensburg State--PA
Edinboro State--PA
Portland State--OR
Chico State--CA
This does not take in account that I was on the faculty of a TC,
and chapter adviser to a TC fraternity...forsooth!
But the point is good...sublety is not in here....duh
Teachers' colleges...whatever name...streetcar or commuter schools...some are good, some not so good. I guess my education at one enabled me to go on to further degrees.
There are lots of Sig Taus who became college presidents, by
the way...and most of them came through the teachers' colleges.
Naw, I meant no slam to anyone--perhaps to the dullards who
cannot comprehend plain English....duh

[hoosier]

Evans Scholars - golf scholarship bunch - was in the IFC at U Ill, and a few other places.

Are they still around?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by hoosier
Evans Scholars - golf scholarship bunch - was in the IFC at U Ill, and a few other places.

Are they still around?

I've heard of this. I had a friend who won some sort of scholarship to Northwestern after being a Caddy and said he was in something that was a fraternity for them. We all thought it was the strangest thing ever so we just nodded and moved on.

-Rudey

[Tom Earp]

This site is where one lives and learns.

I try to live and learn everyday. Thank goodness for people like E C! You may not like the way he types or at time thinks with his typing, but He has Knowldege!

Just give it a chance, He still amazes me and I have known him 40 + years.

But while trying to find Him, He found me On G C!

[g41965]

I support standards for chartering schoolsbut I would not define /except schools based upon being a teachers college, commuter school etc. Academic quality and interest in Greek Life are more important indicators of a good location for expansion.
For example, I want to see DU go to Ball State, Indiana State , Illinois State , all former Teachers Colleges I do not want DU to go to New Mexico Highlands, a former teachers college as their is no Greek Life at the school or City College of New York due to a policy of open admissions.
DU has been more selective than most in expansion , but loosened up in the late 1960's in 1967 DU had 12 inactive chapters we now have around 60, maybe a casualty of going to less selective schools?
Phis Psi Russ, I don't think Greeks will scam other Greeks by talking abount expansion priorities most oppurtunities are well known.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by hoosier
Evans Scholars - golf scholarship bunch - was in the IFC at U Ill, and a few other places.

Are they still around?

Yes, they have a sizeable chapter here of North Shore kids. They're coed now so I doubt they'd be in the IFC anywhere.

[33girl]

Erik, calling people "dullards" really doesn't do anything to endear you or get your point across.

If I took your comments wrong, I'm sorry, but that should tell you that there may be something faulty in your methods of expression. I'm aware that some fraternities have chosen to only go to Ivy League schools, some only to Big 10 universities, etc....that discussion would have been fine, but even so, I'm sure some of your brothers would not like hearing their fraternity referred to as "less-selective." I know the Clarion TKEs would be pissed off. Call it a different expansion philosophy instead.

Heaven knows I'm not an overly politically correct person, but when I feel as if my sorority, my fraternity, AND my alma mater have been insulted in the space of one post, I'm going to get a little defensive.

[Erik P Conard]

I did not insult Clarion, and in being "less selective" I was referring to TKE versus some others who've made their position
plain. I visited Clarion, I believe, in Oct 1958 and believe me, the
school was eons behind many others in so-called procedures of
the time...but it was ME who recommended TKE go there, and the
many other places I previously mentioned....as to dullards, you have to be one of them, as I clearly stated my lack of bias towards teachers college chapters in my earlier posts...is that too
hard for you to grasp? (not sarcasm, but scolding)
The opening meeting of the student council at Slippery Rock was
comprised of New Testament bible reading (in a public college) and it harkened back to dimly lit societies of the 1880s. I would,
even though an alumnus of Kansas State Teachers College, be
less than candid if I stated this was higher education at its best.
The provinciality of the PA TC's of the 50s would even embarrass
them today...fortunately, us national greeks did bring some things
positive to these normal schools...(sarcasm). Even us rustics from
Kansas were cosiderably more into the twentieth century, but, then what do we know? We had flocks of easterners to came to
our campuses, bringing white bucks and shoplifting with 'em. They were not admitted to their own colleges, and had to settle
for a second-rate place like MY teachers' college...(sarcasm)
TKE, Sig Ep, Delta Sig, several others, have long been criticized by
old line outfits for being less-than-selective. Now Beta, SAE, Sig,
Kappa Sig, Phi Delt...all going on these old TCs...and some doing
quite well, but some are discovering the Sig Taus and Tri Sigmas
are indeed a force to reckon with in their own turf...can you get
that, or it that too cryptic (not sarcasm, but scolding)?
Actually, 33 girl, if you would try to be somewhat agreeable and
try to join us instead of constantly carping about our posts, it'd
be a more-fun site. I am sure you have some good points to share with us. Why don't you, and get the hell away from bein'
an old sow? (not sarcasm, just scolding). But I will say this, I do
admire you for standing your ground, however shakey it may be.
(not sarcasm, just a modicum of praise) Finally, it was fielders who were encouraged by men like Heller who opened the doors
of these teachers' colleges, streetcar colleges, commuter schools
and the like...and forty years later we are roasted for the very
effort we put forth...and with pride...get that? Shall we move on?