unaccredited schools

[Erik P Conard]

I did NOT say nor did I equate commuter schools with those which are unaccredited or those "inverted mineshafts.'
Do some of you read? You call me obnixous and you obviously
cannot even understand what was being said...
Charter wherever you want, go to Bruce's Cosmetology School,
to the places who give you a diploma for having lived; but there
is a helleva lot of difference between the commuter, or streetcar
college or living at home versus the unaccredited locations I spoke of.
I am shocked that you seemingly could not grasp that. And, while GLOs, on the other hand, were not established to be rehabilitation centers...some of you seem to have fallen through
the cracks....duh....

[kddani]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
you obviously cannot even understand what was being said...
.....
I am shocked that you seemingly could not grasp that. And, while GLOs, on the other hand, were not established to be rehabilitation centers...some of you seem to have fallen through
the cracks....duh....

I think not understanding you is part of the problem. Like Tom Earp, you have a very different way of "speaking" on here that is very hard to read and comprehend.

Your blatant insults to people and harsh way of speaking aren't going to win you any brownie points around here. It's one thing to have an opinion, but you don't have to express it in an insulting way.

[AchtungBaby80]

Hold up, folks. I didn't catch the mean and nasty part, apparently, but I just thought Mr. Conard was talking about those rinky-dinky schools where you get your master's degree online in 3 weeks (OK, I'm exaggerating, but you know the kind I'm talking about). I didn't get the impression that he was talking about commuter schools that are "real" universities with students who just mostly live off campus. Y'all gotta read.

[aopinthesky]

Originally posted by AchtungBaby80
Y'all gotta read.

I did, and this is what I read:

POSTED BY ECONARD>>>BUT...we have gone too far...at least from the perspective of the
"Greek" experience when we are talking about commuter, shopping mall and inverted mineshaft chapters<<

I could have sworn he said COMMUTER...

[Erik P Conard]

The emergence of the trade schools into the so-called academic
world is interesting. And apparently many younger people think
they equate. Hardly. There are a lot of kids who have been admitted to the "academic" institutions who should not be there,
but remain 'cause our whole system is based on growth.
This does not mean we cannot like or mix with folks who've come
up differently than us. But, I do not have a hankerin' to put up
any more hay...and some of you likely do not want to remain in
the city. Our paths might cross, maybe not.
Oh, the DeVry brothers who have the technical schools are grads
of the U of IL and are members of a large college fraternity.
I am simply saying that if those who want to appear to be college
degreed want to have fraternities and sororities, so be it. But I do not, and will not, think they are of the same warp and woof
as has been traditionally accepted. This "Greek Chat" has moved
kinda away from the general impression of "Greek." But, it is a
free country, have at it--Silk Purse University matriculates.
But, some of you need to take a course in reading comprehension,
and I will try to placate some of the bruised egos.

[AchtungBaby80]

Originally posted by aopinthesky
I could have sworn he said COMMUTER...

You have to read what else he wrote. I really don't think he meant campuses where most students commute. What he was talking about was those universities that are basically vo-tech schools and have hardly any campus whatsoever, so no one lives there and everyone commutes. Right?

[breathesgelatin]

Ok, so I'm confused.

What national NIC/NPC/NPHC/MCGLOs have chartered at say, DeVry or Phoenix University? I sure haven't heard of any. Why is this a problem?

I think we all agree that there's a difference between accredited commuter campuses (where many national groups are colonizing) and these types of "shopping mall" schools as you call them. But I don't see anyone chartering at those places.... ??

[Erik P Conard]

to set the the record straight...there are many so-called commuter or streetcar colleges which have greek systems, some
with houses, some without. In my own outfit we have Cleveland
State, fifty years over 1,000 initiates...once Fenn college with day
and night school fraternities (so did Pitt). TKE pioneered Portland State, a commuter school. Delta Sig is at Woodbury, hardly a Phi
Beta Kappa place. Phi Delt is at Ringling Clown school in Florida.
The list is legion; many of these so-called streetcar/trade schools
are in the midst of becoming more residential, hard to define.
HOWEVER, I am referring to the schools which are not accredited,
who have credits you buy...whose work will not transfer...which demand little sacrifice...yes, they can have anybody who would
choose to come on. I do not look for Kappa Kappa Gamma to go
on to Tramway Tech between Winchells and Victoria's Secret and
I don't expect Beta to rush in to Mason City College of Auctioneering. Now, there is nothing wrong with these with the
specified purpose. But don't tinkle down my leg and tell me it's
raining....they are not collegiate and they are not universities. And most of us in here have that focus. Those who do not, those
wanna-be's, have at it. It is time to move on and get ugly some
where else...LOL. Life is really too short....

[Glitter650]

Originally posted by breathesgelatin
Ok, so I'm confused.

What national NIC/NPC/NPHC/MCGLOs have chartered at say, DeVry or Phoenix University? I sure haven't heard of any. Why is this a problem?

I think we all agree that there's a difference between accredited commuter campuses (where many national groups are colonizing) and these types of "shopping mall" schools as you call them. But I don't see anyone chartering at those places.... ??

I too ask the same question...

[breathesgelatin]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
Phi Delt is at Ringling Clown school in Florida.

Uhhhh...

Phi Delta Theta has a chapter at Ringling School of Art and Design, according to its website (http://www.rsad.edu) it

is accredited by the National Association of Schools of Art and Design (NASAD), the Commission on Colleges of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS), and by the First Professional Degree Level by the Foundation for Interior Design Education Research (FIDER.)

There's a big difference between this institution and Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Clown College.

So my question still hasn't been answered: What national NIC/NPC/NPHC/MCGLOs have chartered chapters at unaccredited training schools?

Yes, they have chartered chapters at new, commuter, and/or not as well recognized campuses. But not, to my knowledge, at unaccredited institutions.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by breathesgelatin
So my question still hasn't been answered: What national NIC/NPC/NPHC/MCGLOs have chartered chapters at unaccredited training schools?

Sigma Pi has a chapter at Vincennes University, its mother chapter. It used to be a four year college, but has been a private junior college for many years. Sigma Pi received a waiver from the NIC to allow this.

Also, Pike, Sig Ep and TKE had chapters at two year community colleges, but no longer do.

[33girl]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Sigma Pi has a chapter at Vincennes University, its mother chapter. It used to be a four year college, but has been a private junior college for many years.

I've heard of junior colleges becoming 4-years, but never the other way around. What's the story there? I'm intruiged.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Sigma Pi has a chapter at Vincennes University, its mother chapter. It used to be a four year college, but has been a private junior college for many years.

Is it an accredited junior college?

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by breathesgelatin
Is it an accredited junior college?

Its not sufficiently accredited to allow for an NIC chapter.

I think that the author of this thread's original post was reffering to accepted levels of accredidation. He did, as you pointed out, get two Ringling schools mixed up. Phi Delt is no longer in the NIC, but they would never charter at a vocational school.

[Erik P Conard]

first, I want to thank the nice DZ...who reads better than I write.
I did include commuter in my reference, once, assailing the mail
order outfits and their ilk. I was wrong. Commuter schools, aka
street car colleges have long been sites of NIC chapters, most of
them not highly successful, i.e., not money-makers (crass!)
And the Ringling schools...I cited the school, not knowing my source had it confused, too. Sorry, Phis, and sorry to see the Phi
Delts leave the NIC but I salute them for the GUTS to do so....It is yet (the NIC) an old fuddy-duddy outfit replete with freeloaders.
In my spam mail yesterday I got an offer to get any degree, with
transcripts, references, whatever, no class attendance necessary
This might be a good place to have the 'feel-goods' grant a
charter...gosh...here I go again. Thanks again, DZ....EPC