chapter losses...how many, where?

[g41965]

DU has closed a number of chapters, here goes:

Northern Co. 2004
Victoria 2003
McGill 2000
Virginia Tech 2002
Texas 2000 sad it was my chapter, possible revival in the works
Cornell 2002 /revived 2004
Shippensburg 2002 went local

I guess DU averages 1 1/2 losses per yeas since 2000
Also DU had 1 jr. college chapter at Tyler Junior College in Texas it operated from 1971-1989, our chapter always had one or two transfers from TJC.The chapter closed due to risk problems I hear they carry on as a local

[phigamucsb]

are you kidding me. There has actually been fraternities that have had chapters at JC's. I must be really drunk, or those fraternites must be really dumb. C'mon isn't the point of a fraternity to promote higher learning at the top universities in the county (at least that is the plan for Phi Gamma Delta). I went to a JC before I transferred to UCSB and let me tell you it is not the place to recruit potential brothers.

[g41965]

I have to agree with the previous post, Jr. Colleges simply are not right for social fraternities.
DU never repeated the Jr. College Exp. note we chartered in 1971 right at the depths of the Vietnam Greek decline.

[queequek]

Theta Delta Chi loses (since 1999)

Illinois, 1999
Rhode Island, 2000
Lafayette, 2001
William and Mary, 2002
UCLA, 2003
Lehigh, 2004

Let's see, one Charge per year?

[DeltaSigStan]

Originally posted by queequek
Theta Delta Chi loses (since 1999)

Illinois, 1999
Rhode Island, 2000
Lafayette, 2001
William and Mary, 2002
UCLA, 2003
Lehigh, 2004

Let's see, one Charge per year?

You happen to known why UCLA is gone?

[ACTDXDeltaDeut]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
You happen to known why UCLA is gone?

From what I understand, it was pretty much a set-up by the UCLA administration to acquire the house. Of course, Berkeley is working pretty hard on trying to get our house too. But we won't let that happen.

[IvySpice]

C'mon isn't the point of a fraternity to promote higher learning at the top universities in the county

Maybe so, phigamucsb, but where you draw the line about what constitutes a "top" university is entirely subjective. Phi Gamma Delta has chapters at lots of schools that many of my Harvard classmates would not consider "top." Does that mean Phi Gamma Delta was "dumb" to colonize there? Seems to me that each group has different ideas about what kind of members it wants to attract and where those members can be found, and there's nothing dumb about that.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by IvySpice
Maybe so, phigamucsb, but where you draw the line about what constitutes a "top" university is entirely subjective. Phi Gamma Delta has chapters at lots of schools that many of my Harvard classmates would not consider "top." Does that mean Phi Gamma Delta was "dumb" to colonize there? Seems to me that each group has different ideas about what kind of members it wants to attract and where those members can be found, and there's nothing dumb about that.

I would argue that most fraternities and sororities are NOT there to promote higher learning. These aren't the days of literary societies. But that's just my own opinion.

-Rudey

[Tex1899]

Most Greek orgs would say they have too many dormant chapters - I know my own does.

My thoughts on top schools - Tier 1 and 2, plus your top 50 or so liberal arts colleges...If you're at all of those, have plans to return, or aren't able to (re)colonize at one of them, then go to your Tier 3 schools. That's not to say Tier 3 schools may not produce better alums than Tier 1 and 2, but your chances are higher of having good members from Tier 1 and 2.

If an interest group approaches you and they seem like a sharp group of students, pick them up - less cost for your headquarters and you're adding a group.

[phigamucsb]

maybe you didn't understand my post. My point was that there is no place for national fraternities on community college campuses. In my opinion, it would be very hard to develop any strong alumni ties, as well as the potential to have many members who fail to further their education. This seems to strictly promote social clubs, which would fall short of the real purpose of a fraternity (I know that some fraternites at college campuses behave this way, but that still doesn't make it right). The point is that each different fraternity was created to foster some common goals in their members and I don't see any of those fitting in with the community college experience. I don't have a problem with people starting up local fraternities at these institutions because they are able to create goals and ideals that may be more consistent with the junior college experience.

For the record I did go to community college before transferring to my university.

[Erik P Conard]

I agree with the Phi Gam about JuCos, aka community colleges,
not being a hotspot for NIC fraternities. I graduated from one,
Hutchinson, one of the prestige ones, and was Dean at another.
I did the survey of the JCs for TKE and NIC in the 1970s and we
did not come up with a positive study. Yet, Teke and others went
on, anyway. They all died. End of story.
Sigma Pi, through special dispensation from NIC, returned to the
mother institution after about a fifty year absence. This is one of
the few cerebral moves NIC has made and Sigma Pi has thrived.
Another interesting note on fraternal history...what to do with the
two chapters in case of a national merger? Good example, the
Case Institute of Technology and Western Reserve University, in
Cleveland, both of 'em with some chapter duplication. I do not know that resolution. Other mergers caused a release by certain
chapters to join another national or to go local. I can think of
Sig Ep, Lambda Chi, Theta Xi having to deal with these problems,
and the implosion of Kappa Sigma Kappa and Alpha Gamma Upsilon was another enigma. Check out Baird's if you have become a fruitcake on this stuff...like me...LOL.
Oh, yes, not to slight the women...defunct sororities, Beta Sigma
Omicron, Pi Kappa Sigma, Theta Sigma Upsilon, Delta Sigma Epsilon, perhaps others...mostly swallowed up by larger ones.
Then there are the schools which have closed, and those which
have banned greeks, some nationals, some all of 'em. And the
transferring of charters...and so on...kinda fun.