Read "Pledged" Yet?

[adpi1030787]

What I don't get is why are people so hell bent on destryoing greeks? What does she or anyone else care what we do? You are right about the sex, drinking and eating disorders. Go to any other organization in college or high school, for that matter, and you will find the same things going on? It's life, as sad as it may be the people are not perfect and things like that are going to exist. She needs to get over it!!

TT love,
Brandi

[ASUADPi]

Honestly and I hate to sound all bitchy and high and mighty, but I think it boils down to jealousy.

People tend to diss things that they don't understand because they are not a member of.

Sororities are selective. That's just the way it has been and will always be.

I mean let's take FR for example: At ASU about 700 girls go through FR. Only about (and I'm guessing here) 1/3 (about 233 girls) will make a house. So that means over 450 girls either were cut or dropped out of FR. If your a PNM and you are cut and you desperately wanted to be in a house, it could lead to some serious jealousy of the members in a house. I'm not saying that this is always the case but I think that this has some bearing to why Greeks are given such a bad name.

Another example, there was this girl at U of A who I guess was constantly rushing ADPi. She would go through FR, put us down (I guess we then dropped her, before my time). She then went through spring rush with me. Didn't get a bid. Then went through two more COB (COR) events, again didn't get a bid. I then heard through sisters that she signed up for FR again. I can't say that I remember anything about this girl or why we didn't give her a bid, but something like this, a person so desperate to join and not become a member could really 'hurt' their view of Greek life in general. So in her mind, we might be the bad people because we didn't offer her a bid.


I'm just trying to make the point that there are a culmination of things that leads society to not understand us. Movies give us a bad name. Books are now giving us a bad name. People 'talking' give us all a bad name.



I just really, really wish that people would stop looking at Greeks in the negative light and start seeing the positive that comes out of being affiliated with a Greek chapter. All the work we do in a community, our philanthropic work, our GPA's, awards we have won, all of that great stuff.

[Tggrsluv2bnce]

I'm reading it now and honestly, I've seen some of the stuff that she mentions, but certainly not all of it. Anyway, I think this would be a great topic for discussion for our Yahoo group or for Pride Online, but not on here. Too many people can read these posts ...

[ASUADPi]

You know what is already so amazing is the fact that this book is being read by so many sisters.

Just today at Founders Day I was talking to about 10 sisters, all alum, and we were actually talking about the book.

One of the sisters, who had just finished reading the book, said that she had to go to like four different bookstores because the book was 'flying off the shelves'. I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. I see it as a good thing if sorority members are buying it up so that they know how to be prepared for pnm questions. Otherwise, bad, bad, bad.

What also got me was how this sister was actually 'supporting the book'. I'm like 'hello the shit she is talking about is about college life in general and she is using it to make sororities look bad'.

I guess I'll just have to wait to read the book.

I'm still on the waiting list for it from the library.

[Adelphean1851]

The most amusing thing I found about it was the fact that she was so hung up on who was wearing which desinger label, who cares?
I think we all have see at least one or two of the things in the book happen in our chapters but not all of it. If my chapter had been that drama filled my college days would have been alot more exciting.
And I know this book is bad publicity and all but, I was just a little upset that she mentioned Theta as the first group modeled after mens fraterntiys but nothing about the Adelpheans being the first group peroid, we all know the diffrence but if a PNM reads the book all shes going to read is Theta was the first sorority.
I did agree with her on one point though, flame me if you want... I really do think that Panhell needs to come up with a more specific definition of hazing. Its no fun to walk around on egg shells all the time. Anyways thats just my .02

[James]

I have red most of the book. I wouldn't mind discussing it with other people that have both read it and are rational.

ITs really not hostile to sororities at all.

Even if you look at the article where they interview her.

This is the only inflammatory thing she says:

What kinds of things did you witness?
I really hadn’t expected to find the level of "Animal House" campiness that I did in some groups. They had a tradition called boob ranking where pledges had just a lim_ited amount of time to strip off their shirt and bras to examine each other topless so that by the time the clock was up, they were basically lined up in order of chest size in order of the sisters to inspect. Some sorori_ties hold what they call “naked parties,” during which after a few drinks sisters and pledges strip off their clothes and basically run around the house naked, some of them hooking up with each other before they let the boys in.

a lot of people are seething when they have only read the sensational highlights. As a male I wish the book was chock full of sorority orgies like a girls gone wild video.

[lonestaradpi]

I want to read this book, but I REFUSE to buy this book. I cannot give this woman any of my hard earned cash. I will try to get it from one of the many libraries in this town.

As far as the issues that she address in this book: I've known more non-greeks with eating disorders than nongreeks. I lived in the dorms for 2 years and knew nongreeks who partied alot more than greeks. As far as drugs, I can't really give an answer because I didn't ever do drugs and if people know what you stand for, they don't usually try to change your opinion. And many kids start trying drugs in high school and come to college using. It's not just a greek thing. Look chapter total at my university was 100. If you went out and picked out that many random women from the non-greek population, you would probably have the same sort of problems. This group of 100 women just has a greek name. It is college!!!!

Many times I do wish that all the active members of our chapters would be more responsible, make better choices, be better at keeping in contact with AAs, etc. Then I remember that they are young. Many college students are guilty of the same sort of irresponsibilities. Lots of them are just leaving the house for the first time and are not sure what to do withour mommy and daddy telling them what to do. I wish that society would realize that they are not all adults yet (I apologize to actives that are one these boards but I do know that this does not apply to everyone)!!!

As I write this, I am thinking of our founders. What would they say/do about all of this? What about the actions of all actives (not just adpis)? What would they say about this book?

Oh yeah, one last thing. I was just skimming the interview with the author. Did she actually get initiated into a soroity while "undercover"? If so, did she lie about things to get into the sorority? What about a letter of recommendation from some other member of that organization? If someone indeed did write a rec for her, that person would feel like an as*.

Oh, I agree with Adelphean1851, from what I have heard, Panhellenics on universities are jokes and pretty much don't do what they could. NPC could come up with some more help and guidance too.