KAPsi-Emory soph tells hazing story

[phamason2003]

Originally posted by starang21
dime dropper.

Again, you speak before you think.

[Tom Earp]

Very interesting indeed. He joins, gets the Stuff knocked out of him and only sues the members

I like the explanation of BioPolar disorder, that makes a lot more sense than it was caused by a beating.

Now, My Question is, why was he beat in the first place?

strarang if you make a comment, then is in a situation like this, then why dont you make a comment instead of a non-sensiacal statement?

Is this part of a ritual that many profess is not you and yours?

I also notice, that you make no show of an affiliation.

Is this because you are not a member of any Greek Organization but just a "I wanna be"?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
I also notice, that you make no show of an affiliation.

Is this because you are not a member of any Greek Organization but just a "I wanna be"?

You really need to stop calling people out for this.

I have no letters in my signature because some of the things I believe in have nothing to do with my sorority. I think the majority of regular GCers still know what house I'm in, but this way a new girl won't think "OH all Gamma Phis are lapsed Catholics who are heinously pro-choice."

Starang is a member of Iota Phi Theta. He had letters in his sig before and it's fairly obvious via the colors in his sig.

I would much rather see people not have letters in their signatures than be embarASSed by things that a sister or brother was saying.

[starang21]

Originally posted by phamason2003
Again, you speak before you think.

read up, again.

[DeltaSigStan]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
You really need to stop calling people out for this.

I would much rather see people not have letters in their signatures than be embarASSed by things that a sister or brother was saying.

This is Tom you're talking about...

I don't have letters in my sig, but I don't think he could figure out what GLO I'm in even if he saw my screen name right in front of him.

[msn4med1975]

Originally posted by ADPiShannan
OK my mom is a doctor and she explained it to me, but I didnt remember all she said so I went to webmd.com and got the info.

Bipolar disorder (also called manic-depressive disorder) is a medical condition that causes extreme mood changes that alternate between episodes of depression and mania. You may return to a normal mood between these extremes. However, a depressive or manic episode can appear suddenly, without an obvious trigger. Although mood changes associated with bipolar disorder can be difficult, effective treatment is available.

Bipolar disorder may be linked to problems in the balance of chemicals in the brain. It may also be linked to problems with how the endocrine system works. Another theory is that the structure or size of certain parts of the brain may be abnormal.

OK bascially it is not a mental thing where you get hazed and get bipolar disorder. It seems to be a chemical imbalance or you were born with an abnormal brain so I dont see how he can say he got this disorder just from hazing. It just doesnt seem right. It honestly seems like he is just using hazing for the fact he got arrested because he doesnt remember or he says he doesnt. I dont know about it... I agree the whole story seems wrong to me. I will say I can believe hazing was going on, but Im not sure about the rest. It would depress you if you were getting hurt, but either leave, or stick it out and quit whining about it. I mean you cant be a member and love your frat but sue their asses off. I think you have to have one or the other. You know if they find out they hazed badly they wont be easy on them like he asks them to be.

The only point I'll deter from is I don't think he's saying the hazing caused the disorder, he was predisposed to that genetically with the family history. However, hazing (ie drugging) could have triggered it's CURRENT appearance in him. Everyone with bipolar disorder doesn't manifest the disorder in the same way or same time. It's not like at age 10 they suddenly start having mood swings there is usually some trigger (extreme emotional stress, financial problems, abuse whatever) that causes it to manifest. They also don't have to have extreme mood swings. They just need to have one VERY elevated and potentially destructive mood to be diagnosed with bipolar disorder which is why there are different classifications (type 1 or type 2) for bipolar disorder. Also, during elevated moods there can be some memory loss because of the same things that cause us to loose memory (lack of sleep, which is VERY common during a manic phase). Just in case anyone is wondering why I know all of this I'm working on a Ph.D. in counseling psychology and unfortunately seeing more college students who are being diagnosed with this as well as anxiety disorders.

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
This is Tom you're talking about...

I don't have letters in my sig, but I don't think he could figure out what GLO I'm in even if he saw my screen name right in front of him.

Delta Sigma Theta, DA!!!!!

lololol don't shoot me

[ADPiShannan]

I agree. The disorder shows up in many situations, many ages, many times in peoples lives. How can he prove that he started this from hazing? Also if he knew he had it before the hazing incident then he should be taking medicine or watching so he didnt go nuts. If he knew hed be taking something so it didnt get out of hand and if he knew he had it he wouldnt put himself through so much stress with hazing going on, he would have dropped out.

I just think he is using that against the frat. Just my .02 though. I know a close friend from HS who went to a small campus and rushed, the sorority of her choice hazed very badly, I mean horribly, it scared me so much. She dropped out because she wouldnt take the crap for any sorority. If it wasnt that big of a deal when he went through and he went through all the way without saying anything, then I dont think its that big now. I mean hazing is terrible but why endure it all then tattle on the frat but ask for them to be nice to them and not be too hard. Cant have your cake and eat it too if you ask me.

[starang21]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Very interesting indeed. He joins, gets the Stuff knocked out of him and only sues the members

I like the explanation of BioPolar disorder, that makes a lot more sense than it was caused by a beating.

Now, My Question is, why was he beat in the first place?

strarang if you make a comment, then is in a situation like this, then why dont you make a comment instead of a non-sensiacal statement?

Is this part of a ritual that many profess is not you and yours?

I also notice, that you make no show of an affiliation.

Is this because you are not a member of any Greek Organization but just a "I wanna be"?

shut up, twit. it's obvious that there is a lapse between the time it takes a thought to formulate and the fingers to hit the keys.

[starang21]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin

I would much rather see people not have letters in their signatures than be embarASSed by things that a sister or brother was saying.

i choose not to have letters in my signature because i wanted a new look. not because of what frat might potentially say.

[EltonJohnRocks]

Originally posted by starang21
i choose not to have letters in my signature because i wanted a new look. not because of what frat might potentially say.

mmm mmmm frat u wore letters when our chapter did bukaki on you and i know youd hurrrrrt someone bad if they wore bukaki letters because it was hard fr us to get in chapter

[msn4med1975]

Originally posted by ADPiShannan
I agree. The disorder shows up in many situations, many ages, many times in peoples lives. How can he prove that he started this from hazing? Also if he knew he had it before the hazing incident then he should be taking medicine or watching so he didnt go nuts. If he knew hed be taking something so it didnt get out of hand and if he knew he had it he wouldnt put himself through so much stress with hazing going on, he would have dropped out.

I just think he is using that against the frat. Just my .02 though. I know a close friend from HS who went to a small campus and rushed, the sorority of her choice hazed very badly, I mean horribly, it scared me so much. She dropped out because she wouldnt take the crap for any sorority. If it wasnt that big of a deal when he went through and he went through all the way without saying anything, then I dont think its that big now. I mean hazing is terrible but why endure it all then tattle on the frat but ask for them to be nice to them and not be too hard. Cant have your cake and eat it too if you ask me.

I think you would have to be more familiar with BGLO fraternity life before you could fully understand why someone would willingly endure hazing to get through the process. It was bad enough that he wanted photo documentation I'll take his word that he was taken to the shed. As far as how he could prove that the disorder didn't show up before, unless he was treated before then no one can establish he had the disorder before he went online. Everyone's tolerance for hazing is different, from those that have none to those that can take just so much from those that will revel in telling you their war stories. Depending on where you are on that spectrum again I think it would be hard for you to understand his motivation. Not saying I do necessarily but it's not the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last time that I have heard a similar story.

[Tom Earp]

Thank you one and all, I will not list the names!

Since some of you think you are the One and Onlys, then think on and live your lives!

I try and ask questions and make a point of view! If it is not yours then it is wrong!

Gosh, some of you are so rightous it is sickening! Am I right in everything, no, but I have My Right to a point of view without calling certain Greek Organizations Names, people, or belittleing them!

I feel when some belittle Greeks, and certain People, as In Court, this opens the discussion up!

How many of You are a bigger Greek Backer than me!?

______________U!

[HederaNaturale]

Originally posted by msn4med1975
I think you would have to be more familiar with BGLO fraternity life before you could fully understand why someone would willingly endure hazing to get through the process. It was bad enough that he wanted photo documentation I'll take his word that he was taken to the shed.

I think the problem lies in his "having his cake and eating it too." If you're willing to endure being beaten so badly that you need to have photo documentation to get through your "process", then that's on you. (still need to reevaluate your goals and sanity, but i digress.) But don't turn around AFTER you cross and push blame. Don't be a fool by allowing others to put you in foolish situations, then get upset after the fact.

However, the fact that he is bipolar explains a lot... imo you have to have some kind of imbalance or low self esteem problem or generally mucked up mindset to put a "process" before your physical health and well being to that degree (i'm assuming he was beaten pretty badly-- I haven't seen the pics) and if he was in a manic or depressed state while he was being hazed (either one is probable) and is more balanced and able to think clearly now-- there's your answer.

BUT the fact that he had the presence of mind to take those photos says that he had it in for his "big brothers" all along.

BUT it could have been his roomate's idea to take the pics, as a preemptive measure.

I'm just trying to look at all sides. Devil's advocate

[Tom Earp]

Yes, I do know what Greek Organizatins you profess to belong to and do not have the _________------------------? to give your letters to along with your Signature!

Thank you for Representing Your Greek Affiliations as you seem so well to do!

If you so profess as not to beleive as to what I say, then dont post! Is it so hard or are you omnipresent?

Let Me name the Names___________-------------- No, I dont think I will as others can see what is posted by you!

Thank you for pointing out what I ment and was followed up by The Few and The Most Proud who will not list Their Affiliations! Does it make any differnece to no when all know whom you belong to!

Da, beat tom toms, send your message, smoke signals, Morse Code.

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