For those that attend religious/jesuit universities..

So are there any Catholic schools that are stricter than Marquette?

Is Notre Dame pretty strict? Boston College?

I'm sorry, this is just interesting to me. My parents almost sent me to a parochial HS, but ended up going with a small rural public school instead.

My sister wanted to go to Notre Dame, but i think she was just saying that to give my dad a heart attack when he saw the tuition estimates.

Kitso
KS 361

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
So are there any Catholic schools that are stricter than Marquette?

Is Notre Dame pretty strict? Boston College?

I'm sorry, this is just interesting to me. My parents almost sent me to a parochial HS, but ended up going with a small rural public school instead.

My sister wanted to go to Notre Dame, but i think she was just saying that to give my dad a heart attack when he saw the tuition estimates.

Kitso
KS 361

I'd say there's definitely a lot that are stricter - particularly the non-Jesuit ones. I know Notre Dame doesn't allow Greek life, and we do, so there's one big difference. Marquette isn't actually that strict (minus dorm visitation policies and that type of thing) - it's just a big change to me after a state school. It's definitely more lax than my parochial grade school was. I truthfully don't know much about the non-Jesuit Catholic universities and colleges because I knew they had more rules so I never really looked at them.

[GPhiLlama]

Although, the student health center is not allowed to give out condoms or prescribe birth control...

And the interim president refused to let the Vagina Monologues be performed on campus because he was offended by the use of the word vagina (not kidding)...

And that female students are yelled at by certain Jesuits for wearing tank tops and flip flops (also not kidding)...

Yeah.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin


I was talking to a friend who goes to Notre Dame about this and we decided Catholic universities are just traditionally a little more lax than, say, BYU or Baylor - probably because we've been around longer and we're just a more relaxed religion.

ND does have a moral clause to an extent, though, doesn't it? I know that, at least in theory (I don't know how often it's practiced) you can get punished or kicked out for being caught with a member of the opposite sex in your room after a certain time.

Not as strict as BYU obviously.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by GPhiLlama
Although, the student health center is not allowed to give out condoms or prescribe birth control...

And the interim president refused to let the Vagina Monologues be performed on campus because he was offended by the use of the word vagina (not kidding)...

And that female students are yelled at by certain Jesuits for wearing tank tops and flip flops (also not kidding)...

Yeah.

OH MY WORD. Some of our Jesuits wear flip flops when it's nice out! We have the same thing wtih condoms/bc but I can understand that.

I think if you violate our visitation policy enough, you'll get kicked out, or at least kicked out of housing - but I've always lived off campus.

[adduncan]

Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
So are there any Catholic schools that are stricter than Marquette?

Boston College?

Kitso
KS 361

Boston College has come "this" close to getting its Catholic stamp pulled more than once. Definitely NOT strict.

Case in point: Professor Mary Daly. Self-professed witch. Tenured faculty.

Now that Cardinal Law has been removed from this seat, we'll see whether O'Malley straightens this out or not

<hijak>
IMHO, if they're going to call themselves a Catholic school w/ Catholic criteria, etc, then stick to it. Tinkle or get off the potty. Permitting double standards - espousing Catholic teaching, but not upholding it (see point above) is damaging to the Catholics who really do try to stay faithful.
</hijak>

Adrienne


ETA - IMHO, the "strictest" Catholic school (ie, the one that stays most consistent and faithful, including its leaders answering to the Vatican and not a local board of secular trustees) is Catholic University of America in Wash DC.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by CarolinaCutie
Check out the info on Liberty University... their dress code illustrations make me go

DAYUM!

[KEPike]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
ND does have a moral clause to an extent, though, doesn't it? I know that, at least in theory (I don't know how often it's practiced) you can get punished or kicked out for being caught with a member of the opposite sex in your room after a certain time.

Not as strict as BYU obviously.

Yeah, they do...although you're right about its enforcement. My perspective on Notre Dame is that it is less of a partying environment and more of an academic school (because of its competitive admission process). Although I am sure that there is drinking, sex, etc. there as well. I still think the same way about Ivy League schools...that there is no social life whatsoever. I know that this is not true though.

Kitso, there aren't alot of Catholic non-Jesuit schools that are well-known. The one that comes to mind is Pepperdine, which is in Malibu. I doubt that it is very strict. Christian Brothers University, which is in Memphis, is a HUGE party school.

To give you some perspective, think of St. Mary's, Incarnate Word, and St. Edward's...all in Texas. Those are all pretty normal college environments where many of the attributes that have been listed hold true, yet it is not too strict.

edited to add: adduncan is right about Catholic University. Very good school and a very traditional reputation as a Catholic school.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
DAYUM!

That's what I said. I'm sure if I ran into anyone from that school they would condemn me straight to hell.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by adduncan
Boston College has come "this" close to getting its Catholic stamp pulled more than once. Definitely NOT strict.

Case in point: Professor Mary Daly. Self-professed witch. Tenured faculty.

Now that Cardinal Law has been removed from this seat, we'll see whether O'Malley straightens this out or not

<hijak>
IMHO, if they're going to call themselves a Catholic school w/ Catholic criteria, etc, then stick to it. Tinkle or get off the potty. Permitting double standards - espousing Catholic teaching, but not upholding it (see point above) is damaging to the Catholics who really do try to stay faithful.
</hijak>

Adrienne

I don't think there's anything wrong with having non-Catholics on the faculty - we have several professed atheists, Buddhists, etc. To me it doesn't matter if my economics professor believes in God or not, so long as the cross stays on the wall. He just needs to believe in the market and we'll be fine. I don't think the majority of Catholic college students attend them to be better Catholics - many of them aren't Catholic themselves. They come for a good education.

[adduncan]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I don't think there's anything wrong with having non-Catholics on the faculty - we have several professed atheists, Buddhists, etc. To me it doesn't matter if my economics professor believes in God or not, so long as the cross stays on the wall. He just needs to believe in the market and we'll be fine. I don't think the majority of Catholic college students attend them to be better Catholics - many of them aren't Catholic themselves. They come for a good education.

Another ATD, probably.

There's a difference between what an individual privately thinks, and what they express when they are acting as the representative of their school/leadership. Don't want to be Catholic? Don't agree with it? No problem - don't be. But in the case I mentioned of Mary Daly, she takes her salary from a "Catholic" school, then turns around and condemns the church's teaching at every turn. You don't have to be religious in any sense to see that's outright hypocrisy. And if the church leadership in the area has any sense, they want their message to be consistent.

Also, the point I'm making is about faculty and school/church leadership, not necessarily the students. So this isn't necessarily going to apply to the second part of your post.

But since you and I have different ideas on the church and how to be faithful, we're not going to see eye-to-eye on this. Not a flame, just an observation.

Adrienne

[Jill1228]

Hijack!
Adrienne LMAO at your signature line!

end hijack!

Originally posted by adduncan
Boston College has come "this" close to getting its Catholic stamp pulled more than once. Definitely NOT strict.

Case in point: Professor Mary Daly. Self-professed witch. Tenured faculty.

Now that Cardinal Law has been removed from this seat, we'll see whether O'Malley straightens this out or not

<hijak>
IMHO, if they're going to call themselves a Catholic school w/ Catholic criteria, etc, then stick to it. Tinkle or get off the potty. Permitting double standards - espousing Catholic teaching, but not upholding it (see point above) is damaging to the Catholics who really do try to stay faithful.
</hijak>

Adrienne


ETA - IMHO, the "strictest" Catholic school (ie, the one that stays most consistent and faithful, including its leaders answering to the Vatican and not a local board of secular trustees) is Catholic University of America in Wash DC.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
I don't think there's anything wrong with having non-Catholics on the faculty - we have several professed atheists, Buddhists, etc. To me it doesn't matter if my economics professor believes in God or not, so long as the cross stays on the wall. He just needs to believe in the market and we'll be fine. I don't think the majority of Catholic college students attend them to be better Catholics - many of them aren't Catholic themselves. They come for a good education.

I think this is an interesting point. Not to bring up Notre Dame again, but since its the only Catholic school that I'm relatively familiar with (friends that go there/I've read books on it) -- I know that they have been having trouble with this issue. As their academic rankings have gotten better and better, the percentage of their faculty that is Catholic has dropped -- I think down to 65% in the mid-1990s and every decade it drops lower. The same with the student body composition. They struggle with whether they are a university first and a religious institution second or vice versa, and obviously there are those on both sides of the issue. Basically the current university administration has decided that in order to stay a strong academic institution, they have to compromise on some aspects of their Catholic heritage.

I'm sure Marquette struggles with the same issues and I'm sure a number of other religious schools do too.

[Jill1228]

Oh hell yeah, I would be kicked out and sent straight to hell wearing gasoline soaked drawers.

I bet Bob Jones University in SC is even worse

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi

That's what I said. I'm sure if I ran into anyone from that school they would condemn me straight to hell.

Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
do y'all have morals clauses like BYU? How they kicked that girl out of school that was on the Real World?

I didn't want to hijack the thread in News and Politics, but GP got me thinking. Can they kick you out of, say, St. John's for being promiscuous?

I know at Baylor they will kick out any girls that pose for Playboy's Girls of the Big XII issues and they recently kicked the Sig Eps there off of campus for appearing in a group photo.

Kitso
KS 361

Let's see if I can shed a little light since I just graduated from Baylor.
The Sig Eps actually just got yelled at a whole lot and suspended for one semester. It may have been a whole year, but definitely not kicked off campus. The girls who posed in the "girls of the Big XII" issue were kicked out of their respective GLOs and were also in deep crap although I dont' remember the specifics. I just remember all my Sig Ep friends pointing themselves out in the picture. Kinda stupid since the girls were wearing bikinis and shorts!!!!! Anyway, it was made known right away that any students participating would receive severe punishment.
As far as Baylor goes, it's the rule that if a female and male student have the same address they have to have the same last name.
Also, if Baylor cops give you an MIP or DWI or anything alcohol (or drug) related, your parents are notified. SUCKS!! Better to get caught by Waco police for murder than Baylor cops for MIP. Jk.
It is required that two semesters of religion classes be taken (usually old and new testament) as well as two semesters of chapel.
I can't really think of much else, I never got in trouble!!!!

ETA: chapel was two days a week, for one hour. Pretty cool sometimes.
Other than the stuff I already wrote, it really wasn't that strict, some of the craziest people I've ever met are from BU. Alchohol, sex, drugs, everything like that at the biggest Baptist school in teh world. Nice huh?