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[ATJ]

Are you refering to the '94-'95 at Zeta Phi, if so do you have any info on them, I'd like to know what changes came about and why? Send me a private message if you can, I'd love to chat.

Thanks frat


# 27 A.T.J. (Anticipating The Journey)
G.E.S.T.A.L.T. ExeQUEtive Branch 27
"The Mighty" Zeta Phi
Fall 2003

[Senusret I]

ATJ,

I can put you in touch with Jerry Brown, hit me up.

You should know who that is -- but if not, hit me up anyway.

Originally posted by ATJ
Are you refering to the '94-'95 at Zeta Phi, if so do you have any info on them, I'd like to know what changes came about and why? Send me a private message if you can, I'd love to chat.

Thanks frat


# 27 A.T.J. (Anticipating The Journey)
G.E.S.T.A.L.T. ExeQUEtive Branch 27
"The Mighty" Zeta Phi
Fall 2003

[naraht]

Contact with Jerry Brown would probably be best here, he is a Alpha Beta (Penn State) Transfer who tried keeping the chapter going after it went down to zero. It was during his time that the chapter first went co-ed. Lori Crozier (Transfer from Stanford) is one of the other people involved at the time. Brother Keene was involved with this effort too, He'd remember as well.

I think they crossed over about 3 lines, Total number of brothers during that time period about 15-20.

YiLFS
Randy

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by naraht


I think they crossed over about 3 lines, Total number of brothers during that time period about 15-20.

YiLFS
Randy

The national office reported two lines, which Jerry confirmed when I researched it. I think the chapter size at that time was no bigger than 15.

[naraht]

I had about the right order of magnitude. The initial group was 3: Jerry, Lori and a male brother from Florida (I think). The first line was 6, I don't remember the size of any later lines.

Randy

[naraht]

And the group that rechartered in 1986 as best as I can tell didn't bring in anyone officially after the charterers. I'm very proud of the chapter that Zeta Phi has become now!

Randy

[Attractive#7]

I see so many people misconstrued what I said so let me clarify myself and respond to a few people at the same time.

Originally posted by Attractive#7
Well that is an interesting theory, but i have been to 2 schools and i have never seen it.

I meant in Pan-Hellenic Fraternities and Sororities at HU and at TSU. I knew a lot of people in Pan-Hell at HU and I know a lot here. I only saw it once at TSU. The Alpha's skipped a number because one of their brother's passed; therefore, they honored him by not assigning his number to anyone else. I think we do that too (my chapter) because one of our brother's passed, but we haven't had another line large enough to get to her number.

Originally posted by Virtuous Woman
Attractive: I'm sure that at your school the reason that you do not see missing numbers is that it is illegal to pledge for BGLOs and missing numbers could be seen as a sign that there was a pledge process.

Well in that since, the same principle would apply to HU because they are also an HBCU.

Originally posted by sweete81
I hope that explains some of it.

It's not that I don't understand it, I have never heard of it.

Originally posted by Attractive#7
So how long has zeta phi been doing the number thing?

I was asking how long Zeta Phi has been giving numbers to the pledges because if I recall correctly Bill Keene's pledge class didn't have numbers, but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by naraht
Attractive, when were you at Howard?

Randy

I was at Howard Fall 2000 to Spring 2002. I was the First President of the Howard University Interest Group.

Originally posted by naraht
I've been on section staff since about 1990, the traditions have changed some, especially with the group that tried to keep it going 94-95. But for a chapter at a BGLO to not keep track of numbers, that would be strange...

Randy

Originally posted by Attractive#7
This is just really interesting to me becuz i dont ever recall people keepin their numbers... maybe i just didnt' pay attention to it when i was there.

When I said keeping their numbers I didn't mean keeping track of their numbers, I was going back to the original issue of if someone drops everyone one else keeps their original numbers.

With that being said...this is a message board. It is a place for people to come and express their opinions. If you can not feel free to express yourself here, then where can you express yourself? This was not a battle, it was a discussion. (You know who you are.)

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by 28zpfa03
When someone drops line you continue to keep your number you do not delete your number at all because that is who you are, why take someone else's identity?

This is exactly why some organizations have banned line numbers.

You are NOT a number, you are a person.

There is going to be a point where people are going to realize that, hopefully it will be in my life time.

lol

And I see you wreckin' shop, Attractive!

[Attractive#7]

You know I hold my own any where any time...you know that from Monday!!! *lol* Check your PM's.

[naraht]

Attractive, sorry if any seemed like a challenge, got sort of confused with your Howard and Tenn St time...

I'll take just about any challenge people want to give, I've had brothers from chapters at HBCUs tell me I'm too interested in fraternity history.



YiLFS
Randy Finder
National History & Archives Committee Member.

[Attractive#7]

Originally posted by naraht
Attractive, sorry if any seemed like a challenge, got sort of confused with your Howard and Tenn St time...

I'll take just about any challenge people want to give, I've had brothers from chapters at HBCUs tell me I'm too interested in fraternity history.

YiLFS
Randy Finder
National History & Archives Committee Member.

NO NO NO!!! I didn't think you were trying to challenge me at all...I just wanted to clear up some things from emails and pm's i got from other brothers.

You can NEVER be too interested in fraternity history.

[naraht]

Originally posted by Attractive#7

You can NEVER be too interested in fraternity history.

There are some who would differ with you. Not only was I section 84 historian. http://www.apo84.org/section.html . I'm currently on the National History and Archives Committee. Things I've researched in Fraternity History include the official locations of the National Office during Frank Reed Horton's time in office including the location of the Council HQ that he worked out of in the Pittsburgh area (and what councils it merged with on the way to now being a small part of the Greater Pittsburgh Council. and the exact Physical location of the PO Box that he rand the national Office out of when he lived in Wincester Virginia (The Post office no longer uses the building, its now a bank)

I've looked at what section number Mississippi had prior to it being merged with Louisiana when it got moved to region VII (section 71) and try to keep track of the section numbers that existed prior to con-con when the numbering was quite different (New Jersey was 25 rather than 99, for example) have dealt with the Region III director on a chapter rechartering that turned into a chapter chartering because research showed that the chapter hadn't actually received the charter 30 years ago.

And I'm still irked that Delta chapter considers itself continually active when they had to be totally reorganized in 1933 according to the Lighbearer (predecessor to the T&T, name was changed in 1935).

*High* level challenge question. In the name of the founder Ray O. Wyland, What does the O. stand for?

Randy

[Attractive#7]

You wouldn't be refering to Orion would you?

[Attractive#7]

Hey!!! Where's Randy?

[naraht]

Sorry, I thought I had replied, but it didn't go through...

Orion is correct. Followup questions...

1) Name all regions of the fraternity whose borders have not changed since their creation in 1967/1968.
2) What was the last state to receive an Alpha Phi Omega charter.
3) Prior to WWII, what was Sigma Chi chapter (this is not a trick question, it does not refer to what was later assigned Sigma Chi chapter (Miami Dade CC-North)
4) Name any school with a local Alpha Phi Omega (unrelated to our APO,NSF) prior to 1925.

Randy