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Old 10-27-2003, 03:44 PM
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Everyone's cars are covered in ash and everyone's throats and eyes are irritated because you're constantly breathing smoke. I tried to close my room window to preserve the air but it got too stuffy (the dorms at UCI are not air-conditioned) so I'm hesitantly opening it again because i need fresh air even if its not so fresh anymore. This is really unhealthy. My heart goes out to everyone who has family/homes in San Diego and the other areas that are burning right now. Good luck to you all!
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Old 10-27-2003, 04:21 PM
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Old 10-27-2003, 04:36 PM
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Calif. Wildfires Kill 13, Destroy 825 Homes

Monday, October 27, 2003



SAN DIEGO — More than 7,000 firefighters in Southern California are struggling to contain devastating wildfires (search) that have killed at least 13 people and destroyed more than 825 homes in the state's deadliest outbreak of fires in more than a decade.

Hot Santa Ana winds complicated efforts to tame a series of fires that run from the Mexican border to suburbs north of Los Angeles. Weather forcecasters believe conditions will begin to improve on Tuesday and expect a tropical depression to move through the west later in the week.

The wind subsided for a time during the night but picked up again Monday morning in San Bernardino County. San Diego Fire Chief Jeff Bowman cautioned that "winds can kick up very quickly and change the situation."

The Santa Ana wind season usually stretches from September through February, with October often the strongest. The area's rainy season could start any time but heavier rain is not likely until January.

• Photo Essay: Ring of Fire Surrounds Southern California

"People should be indoors for health reasons," San Diego Mayor Dick Murphy (search) said at a press conference Monday. "The air quality is very poor. And people should be near home in case there are shifts in the winds."

Murphy emphasized the importance of employers asking employees to stay home. "We need to conserve electricity and keep people off the roads," he said.

But most importantly, residents should conserve water, Murphy said. "We need every drop of water to fight the fire."

The blazes triggered a harrowing flight to safety for thousands of residents, many of whom had little time to collect cherished possessions before escaping.

"I was grabbing wet towels. Fire was at our feet. It was blazing over our heads and burning everywhere," said Lisza Pontes, 43, recounting her Sunday morning escape from a fire in San Diego County.

The death toll was the worst in the state since the 1991 fire in the Oakland hills of Alameda County that killed 25 and destroyed more than 3,200 homes and apartments.

Airline travel was disrupted, major highways were blocked and some schools were closed. A professional football game was shifted to Arizona.

Bush Asked for Federal Help

Million-dollar homes disappeared in flames almost as fast as canyon brush in San Diego's affluent Scripps Ranch area. In San Bernardino County, a blaze called the Old Fire, which had destroyed more than 400 homes, torched 25 more when it jumped a road and moved into the heavily forested town of Crestline, fire information officer Candace Vialpando of the U.S. Forest Service said Monday.

Gov. Gray Davis asked President Bush to declare Los Angeles, San Bernardino, San Diego and Ventura counties disaster areas to qualify them for federal aid. Bush didn't immediately say he would do that, but did pledge Monday to help in any way possible.

"We want to help put them out. I mean, this is a devastating fire and it's a dangerous fire. And we're prepared to help in any way we can," Bush told reporters at the White House.

Cathy Sang-Pio of the American Red Cross said the organization currently has seven shelters operating to help fire victims with immediate needs like damage assessment, shelter and clothing. "We expect 700 to 1,000 more people in the next few hours who need our help as the fires spread," she told Fox News on Monday.

Brandy DeBatte, 21, stayed at her Crestline home until the electricity went out and the smoke started to thicken.

"I got our animals. I got insurance papers. I didn't want to be up there if the town was going to burn down," she said.

Hours later, she had second thoughts as she realized how much she had left behind: "I should have gotten more out, and I didn't."

Cedar Fight Is Deadliest

About 30,000 homes were endangered by the fires, which had consumed more than 330,000 acres, or 500 square miles -- almost half the size of the state of Rhode Island -- of dense, dry brush and trees.

All of the fatalities happened since Saturday. Nine people were killed by the so-called Cedar Fire in San Diego County, the state's largest blaze at approximately 100,000 acres. About 260 homes, ranging from modest to expensive, were destroyed.

The San Diego County victims included two people who died inside their car as they apparently tried to escape the flames, which witnesses said moved so fast they didn't get any warning.

That fire was started Saturday near the mountain town of Julian when a lost hunter set a signal fire, authorities said. The hunter may face charges.

Another fire near San Diego that started Sunday killed two people and destroyed 57 homes while burning about 15,000 acres, authorities said. It also prompted evacuations in northeastern Escondido.

Around the congested suburbs of San Bernardino, a city of about 200,000 some 50 miles east of Los Angeles, one flank of a nearly 80,000-acre fire burned through four towns while the other flank destroyed more than 450 homes. Two fires -- the Old Fire and the Grand Prix -- had merged on Sunday, creating a flame front 35 to 40 miles long.

Two men collapsed and died, one as he was evacuating his canyon home and the other as he watched his house burn, the county coroner said.

Authorities said they were seeking two men for investigation of arson and possibly murder in connection with the San Bernardino fires. Three looters were arrested, police said.

Another 80,000-acre fire, northwest of Los Angeles in Ventura County, threatened approximately 2,000 homes and the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library.

Firefighters were spread thinly around threatened communities, focusing on saving what homes they could. The gusty wind prevented the air tanker drops of retardant and use of backfires that are key tactics of fire containment.

The area is vulnerable because drought and an infestation of bark beetles have killed millions of trees. And in some places, brush has not been trimmed by fire or man for decades.

Some of the evacuations ordered included Indian reservation casinos, California State University, San Bernardino, where fire burned two temporary classrooms and a temporary fitness center, and a state mental hospital.

About 1,100 prison inmates also were evacuated, and at least 200 juveniles were evacuated Sunday from two probation camps, said Ken Kondo, spokesman for the Los Angeles County Probation Department spokesman.

Fire also forced the evacuation of a Federal Aviation Administration control center in San Diego, disrupting air travel across the nation. Some airlines canceled flights into the region.

The National Football League moved Monday night's football game between the Chargers and Miami Dolphins from Qualcomm Stadium, which is being used as an evacuation center, to Tempe, Ariz.

Fox News
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Old 10-27-2003, 04:38 PM
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My thoughts are with everyone in So Cal!
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Old 10-27-2003, 05:24 PM
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I'm only a mile or two from Scripps Ranch but luckily we haven't had to evacuate. Mira Mesa High School is an evacuation site so as long as they don't have to move everyone from there we'll probably be okay.

My dad and I drove down to Mission Gorge to check on one of his employees homes but we couldn't get past Princess View. His neighborhood was evacuated but he's stuck in Virginia. Hopefully his home's still standing.

Driving down the freeway it was amazing how charred everything was; but, there were still plenty of trees standing. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we've seen the worst of it. Yesterday it seemed like it was burning everywhere but our neighborhood. It was north, east and west of here.

I'm getting restless being stuck at home though. My office is closed but I just keep thinking of all the work I could be getting done. If the roads weren't closed I'd likely try to go to work!

On top of everything else, my dad had to take my mom to the airport this morning so she could fly back to Wisconsin. My grandmother died this weekend.
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Old 10-27-2003, 05:32 PM
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We have a number of friends whose family homes have burned or are in danger of burning in the Claremont/Simi Valley/Rancho Cucamonga areas.

I've got bad asthma and have tried to stay inside as much as possible, but I've already lost my voice from the smoke and I am 35 or more miles away from the fires.

My thoughts and prayers are with everyone affected by and fighting these fires.

It makes me sick that they suspect most (all?) of them are arson.
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Old 10-27-2003, 07:51 PM
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Former employee of mine lives in Simi Valley and a really good friend lives in Orange County.

Neither in danger at the moment.

Sending good thoughts toward SoCal.
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Old 10-27-2003, 09:12 PM
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I live in so california and more importantly i live in the inland empire in victorville. which is 20 minutes from the crestline/ rancho cucomonga/fontana fires are( grand prix fires). Cal State San Berndino is more less closed for the time being as the hill behind it caught on fire.

The pass has been closed really since thursday and i have been stuck here since.

Luckly the fires are burning the opposite way of me but i have a family member who lost a house in claremont and i know a few others who lost houses in rancho cucomonga

It is a light show for sure at night . i can look out my bedroom window on the second floor and it is amazing how HUGE this fire is. i can see huge flames......
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Old 10-27-2003, 09:26 PM
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For those who didn't notice, I have returned home to the US from England. I am currently staying with my father at my childhood home in the Clairemont area of San Diego. Yesterday was a doosey as the Cedar Fire started to get worryingly close to us....and we live in the city! Tierrasanta is a few miles due east of my house. At one point, an ember or something had caught a segment of Clairemont on fire in a patch of brush adjacent to my high school.

As others have reported, the place is full of ash and smoke. My swimming pool is full of ashes; my car is covered in ash. Last night I walked out to the corner of the street with some neighbours and we watched the sky glow red and orange with the flames in the distance.

My 86 year old grandfather lives in the northeast corner of Mira Mesa which, yesterday, was dangerously close to the devastating Scripps Ranch part of the Cedar Fire. I wanted to go get him but they closed the freeways and the streets were jammed with traffic. I'm happy to report that he's ok and, though he lived close to the fire, they did not evacuate him and his neighbours.

I have friends who live in El Cajon, one whose house is located in an area that is burning. Another friend lived near to the Mission Gorge flare up.

The difficulty is that the news reporting is not all that great in that, understandably, no one seems to know what's going on where. So, I'm having a hard time figuring out what's happening. I feel just awful for the hundreds of people whose houses have partially or completely burnt down. That must be heartbreaking for them.

Anyway, the air is a bit clearer today - it's slightly easier to breathe. It sounds like we finally got some reinforcements from Arizona and other locations which is great news.

Thanks everyone for your positive thoughts and prayers.

.....Kelly
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Old 10-27-2003, 09:29 PM
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P.S. - Claremont, CA in the Los Angeles area is not the same as Clairemont which is a community in the City of San Diego. Just thought I'd clarify.


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Old 10-28-2003, 04:06 AM
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Yes, both Claremont and Clairmont have had fire issues. A good friend was in Claremont all weekend helping her parents pack up their house. The fire nearly missed the house she grew up in this weekend. Most of the rest of their street burned down.
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Old 10-28-2003, 07:51 AM
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anyone else hear this?

I heard on the radio yesterday that Homeland Security had issued warnings because one of the al quaeda operatives who is in custody admitted to a plot to start wildfires in the west. It took me a while to find a link for it but then I found this.



What do ya'll think? They keep saying some of the fires were started by arsonists, could it be terrorists?

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Old 10-28-2003, 08:36 AM
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it is all so sad. if arson or terrorism, the punishment cannot be severe enough. my thoughts and prayers are with everyone in southern california right now. where is rain when you need it?
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Old 10-28-2003, 12:59 PM
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Re: anyone else hear this?

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I heard on the radio yesterday that Homeland Security had issued warnings because one of the al quaeda operatives who is in custody admitted to a plot to start wildfires in the west. It took me a while to find a link for it but then I found this.



What do ya'll think? They keep saying some of the fires were started by arsonists, could it be terrorists?

Dee
wow no offense to anyone but I had to laugh at that one. The weather has been excessively hot (100+) here and with that kind of heat and the amount of dry brush its bound to go up. Although there are suspects in this case they aren't terrorists according to news stations in California. I've been watching the news pretty regularly and there was not one mention of a suspected terrorist plot and in fact quite the contrary. Our ABC affliate station in LA said they were 2 guys who were white and in their 20s. Check it out if you like:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/102...ts_sought.html
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Old 10-28-2003, 01:47 PM
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We have one alumna who lost her home and all of her belongings but fortunately she, her husband and their two children are all ok.

My grandparents (85 & 87 yo) live close to the Camp Pendleton fire and fortunately they have not had to evacuate. I kind of think they should get out of there anyway b/c the anxiety of an evacuation would be very hard on my grandpa.

The sky is disgusting by me right now. It is a light orange. Better than yesterday afternoon though. It's amazing that the smell has stopped bothering me.

I can't wait for all of this to be over.

As a total aside, the grocery and MTA strikes are totally back burner news issues now. They got one sentence on the news last night: there is nothing new to report on the two strikes. I just want to be able to shop across the street again and have cleaner air.

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