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Old 09-20-2003, 02:01 PM
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Re: Re: This lawsuit is ridiculous

Well this will be the test case of the lawsuit right?


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Here's, based on the article, the point of the lawsuit. Was the dorm unlocked? Did the desk clerk let them in without an escort?
Which one, the victim or the rapist is the most sympathatic? Sorry, while I do think there are some people named who MAY not be liable, the lawsuit does not seem that silly to me.
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Old 09-21-2003, 03:50 AM
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This is so completely vile, horrible and insane--- that poor young woman, regardless of her past-- was tortured to death. I can't believe something like that happened. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/911267/posts

It is truly beyond belief. No human being should ever go through an ordeal like that. The two accused attackers should receive nothing less than the death penalty for this sadistic and brutal murder.

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Old 09-21-2003, 11:16 AM
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Please do not take what I said as being cold to the situation. I was refering to the law suit only.

This was and is a horrendous thing to have happen to anyone and the individuals should be held accountable to the Nth Degree.

To be subgigated to something this so terrible that it is hard for one to realize that any human could do something of this nature.

What has been sad, is that this did not make any major news here other than a small news item

May these two people rot in hell, and so may the from under the rock semi-relatives who want to sue everyone in sight, simply for just the money from a tragic and needless situation.
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Old 09-21-2003, 12:40 PM
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Ugh. This young woman's story made me physically ill. The men who did it should have to pay for their crime, of course and nothing besides life in prison with other violent criminals is the most appropriate punishment (I don't know if Kentucky has the death penalty, but if it does, that would be too humane for them).

As for the lawsuit & whether it is ridiculous or not, is a matter up for debate & probably depends on which part you consider ridiculous-is it the fact of the suit at all? Is it the relationship of the plaintiffs to the victim & the outrage at their attempts to profit off of her horrible death, when it sort of appears they were not too concerned about her during her life? Is it the scattershot selection of Defendants? In any case, assuming Kentucky's negligence laws are like the majority of states, the plaintiffs will have to prove negligence on the part of each of the defendants - using elements similar to these:

Did the defendant(s) have a duty to the victim? (if I was on the jury, I would have a difficult time finding that the fraternity had a duty to protect this woman in her dorm room...but I don't have all the facts at this point)

If so, was that duty breached? procedures may not have been followed...this could = breach

Did the victim suffer actual harm or damages? Obviously she did, but then there's the next element....

Was there an actual causal connection between the Defendant's negligent conduct and the victim's injuries?

There's more to this case than plain vanilla negligence, but that kind of helps to put things into legal terms & deciding whether there is merit to the aunt's/mother's case.... I think there may be some validity to the claim against the housing foundation if in fact their procedures (procedures may establish that there was a duty) were not followed and the plaintiffs can prove the procedures weren't followed, and a causal connection to the injury. Agency law will determine if the other individuals named can be held personally liable if in fact their actions/non-actions are determined to be a breach of duty.

It's natural for people to want someone to be held responsible for things like this, and if the students in that dorm were not reasonable protected then obviously corrective measures need to be taken. The relationship of the mother/aunt to the victim is what makes this lawsuit seem shady. I guess we will just see what happens.
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Old 09-21-2003, 06:06 PM
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Thanks for the link to the article, adpiucf. I have never read such a brutal and inhumane story. It is such a tragedy. I feel so soory for that poor young woman. I don't know how anyone could do something so awful. It seems to me that "Katie" had a really hard life from the beginning. She seemed to be getting her life in order when these evil men murdered her. I just can't understand man's inhumanity to his fellow man.
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Old 09-21-2003, 07:33 PM
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Ugh...that just makes me sick.

I'm guessing that burned her vaginal region so that evidence of rape would disappear.

That poor girl. Although she stayed alive until May 7, I doubt she was conscious...I'm sure she was on life support. I hope that her last few moments of clarity were not spent in pain. I'm hoping she passed out when they suffocated her so that she didn't have to feel them stab and burn her.

Those boys are monsters. I don't think any punishment, short of torture, would be strong enough for them.
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Old 09-22-2003, 11:16 AM
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More on Katie's Background


Katie Autry was learning to live on her own as a college freshman. She had started proceedings to leave a foster-care program, was about to buy her first car and was holding down two jobs, one as a dancer at a strip club.

But her life on her own ended violently. Autry, 18, was found beaten, stabbed and burned in her smoldering dorm room at Western Kentucky University after an evening of drinking at a fraternity party. She died three days later.

Two men from Scottsville, not far from the WKU campus in Bowling Green, were arrested and charged with murder in her May 7 death.

According to court papers, Stephen Soules, 20, told police he watched Lucas Goodrum, 21, rape, beat and try to smother Autry with a pillow before spraying hairspray on her and setting her on fire. She was found with severe burns over much of her body, and puncture wounds and scrapes on her face and neck.

"Nobody deserved what this girl got," said her aunt, Virginia White. "Someone had a lot of anger to have done this girl the way they done her."

Police are saying little about the days leading up to the early-morning attack on May 4. No motive has been given.

Autry worked at a campus coffee store and had danced at least four times at Tattletails, a strip club not far from campus.

"Sometimes young people make choices that have very unfortunate consequences," university President Gary Ransdell said before the first arrest Sunday. "But those are the kinds of things we're trying to learn about Katie, and Katie's life, and who else was involved in her life."

Police used Soules' statement to support a murder charge against Goodrum, then charged Soules. It was not clear how police came to suspect Soules. The two face a preliminary hearing Monday.

Police will not say whether Autry knew her alleged attackers, though it appears their paths may have crossed at the frat party the last weekend before finals. A police affidavit placed Goodrum and Soules at the Pi Kappa Alpha house that night, though neither of the unemployed men is a student at the university. All three had been drinking, police said.

Whether her attackers forced their way into her room or were invited has not been disclosed.

"I never heard her mention either guy," said White, who was close to her niece.

Autry, who grew up in Pellville, about 75 miles north of Bowling Green, was placed along with her younger sister in a foster family because their mother was unable to care for them and their father was no longer around. But their mother maintained contact with the girls, as did White.

In April, Autry started proceedings to leave the foster-care program that she had planned to stay in until she was 21. She had dropped from a full-time to a part-time student, took on two jobs and planned to rent an off-campus apartment for the summer.

White said she understood her niece's decision to dance at the strip club--the last time on April 26, according to a club manager. "She was trying to pay her bills and pay her rent and stuff," her aunt said.

"She only worked there a couple of weeks," White said, adding that her niece did not dance nude. "There was always a possibility she could have met the boys there, but I seriously doubt it."

Goodrum and Soules, who are being held on $1 million bail each, have refused interview requests relayed through their jailers, and their families have not returned repeated calls.

The two were friends at Allen County Scottsville High School, said William Cooper, a former principal. Goodrum graduated in 2000, and Soules was moved in March 2000 to an alternative school for disciplinary reasons.

The day before the fire, a 17-year-old girl from Scottsville told police Goodrum struck her twice in the face with a cell phone, but she did not obtain a warrant for his arrest, and he was not charged. He was charged last year with violating an emergency protective order filed by his ex-wife, but it was dropped.

Last year, Soules was charged with public intoxication and underage possession of alcohol. In 2000, he was charged with leaving the scene of an accident.

"I don't know how they met and they can't bring Katie back, but at least these guys aren't on the street," White said.


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Until enrolling at Western last year, Katie Autry lived in Pellville in Hancock County with Jim and Shirley Inman, her foster parents. White said Autry lived with the Inmans for about 10 years and that Autry's younger sister, Lisa, is still in their care.

White also said that Donnie Autry was unable to care for her daughters, that they had no contact with their father, and that state officials thought it best for them to be placed in foster care.

White said she and Donnie Autry sought to become administrators of Katie Autry's estate because "Donnie is her mother and she loves her kids very much."
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Old 09-22-2003, 11:30 AM
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What a horrible horrible thing.

Jesus, those guys are monsters.

Now, i'm not going to say that PKA is responsible, like most of y'all i don't think they should be blamed. BUT it's been said that these two guys weren't members or even students at WKU. If that's the case what were they doing at the PKA party?

As a former risk reduction officer one of the hardest parts of my job was keeping tabs on what guests came to our parties. We always had randoms or locals who had heard of the party and tried to get in. PKA and future fraternities will save themselves a lot of grief if better risk reduction steps are taken in the future. We always had brothers who wanted to invite friends that weren't in the frat but it was always clear that their names would be on the guest list and any trouble they caused would fall on the brother's responsibility.

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Old 09-22-2003, 11:34 AM
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At WKU if you are invited you do not have to be a member to come to a party- you just have to be invited or have a friend that is a member. You have to sign in and you are either on the Over 21 list or under. TO get in with the OVER 21 list you have to show an ID
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Old 09-22-2003, 11:43 AM
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At WKU if you are invited you do not have to be a member to come to a party- you just have to be invited or have a friend that is a member. You have to sign in and you are either on the Over 21 list or under. TO get in with the OVER 21 list you have to show an ID
is there someone at the door with a guest list?

or are guys just walkin up saying, oh yeah, i was invited and just pull out some brother's name?

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Old 09-22-2003, 11:44 AM
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There is someone with the guest list, usually two or three brothers (whoever is sober brother that night) and a security guard to check ID's.

Let me add that it wasn't this way until my junior year. Before that you could go to any party anywhere. We used to have like 5 girls and one or two guys with us and they would come to all the fraternity parties. But WKU did away with Thursday night parties and made these strict rules. Since then WKU hasn't been as much of a party school.
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Old 09-22-2003, 11:57 AM
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I'm sorry, but some of the comments people are making are absolutely disgusting!!! All we know is a girl is dead and that it is so sad for her parents and the rest of her family and friends. Her parents, aunt and whoever are likely suing everyone because if they don't sue Pike, the RAs, etc. now, they can't re-file the claim later. It doesn't mean that Pike, or anyone for that matter, will be held liable. As for whether or not they should be liable, I don't think anyone should make judgments on the situation if they don't know all the facts. (A newspaper article as a source for judgment is not always accurate or complete) Refer up to dzandliloo's post regarding the elements that they'll have to prove because that is all we know right now about the status of this suit.

As for the character attack on the victim...who cares if the girl was in foster care or stripped to make money. Does that justify what happened to her? I'd like to think that if something like this happened to me people would not be so quick to jump on the "blame the victim" bandwagon. Let's try not to judge the actions or character of the deceased if you weren't there to see it.
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Old 09-22-2003, 12:02 PM
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As for the character attack on the victim...who cares if the girl was in foster care or stripped to make money. Does that justify what happened to her? I'd like to think that if something like this happened to me people would not be so quick to jump on the "blame the victim" bandwagon. Let's try not to judge the actions or character of the deceased if you weren't there to see it.
I think you are out of line here, I see no character or judgement calls on her at all... please show me those if you could. I was pointing out she was trying to say she was having to work to better herself. I wasn't saying "oh look what kind of girl she was" in anyway shape or form, but she was having to do things in order to get money for herself and better her life.

All I have seen are people expressing their disgust for these actions, not placing blame on the girl.

I personally have know people that have been directly affected by this, and it is horrendous. THe first guy accused is being brought into court again today. I have been following this closely because 1. it is my alma mater, and 2. i know people that were there- from in the dorm to the resue workers and they will all remember Katie Autry until they leave this world.
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Old 09-22-2003, 12:03 PM
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I'm sorry, but some of the comments people are making are absolutely disgusting!!! All we know is a girl is dead and that it is so sad for her parents and the rest of her family and friends. Her parents, aunt and whoever are likely suing everyone because if they don't sue Pike, the RAs, etc. now, they can't re-file the claim later. It doesn't mean that Pike, or anyone for that matter, will be held liable. As for whether or not they should be liable, I don't think anyone should make judgments on the situation if they don't know all the facts. (A newspaper article as a source for judgment is not always accurate or complete) Refer up to dzandliloo's post regarding the elements that they'll have to prove because that is all we know right now about the status of this suit.

As for the character attack on the victim...who cares if the girl was in foster care or stripped to make money. Does that justify what happened to her? I'd like to think that if something like this happened to me people would not be so quick to jump on the "blame the victim" bandwagon. Let's try not to judge the actions or character of the deceased if you weren't there to see it.
whoa there.

I think what most posters that are bringing up the stripping are pointing to is the supposed 'concern' for her well being by her mother and aunt. Their point is this, if they cared so much for her, why did they let her strip and not attempt to help her out.

I'm personally staying out of the stripping argument. My main beef is that PKA and other fraternities need to learn to be extremely careful with who they permit to attend parties. I'd like to think that the brothers who invited these 2 animals should face some sort of repercussion within their chapterl. I'd push for a reduction of social events and the loss of invitation abilities. By inviting these 2 boneheads, those brothers put their chapter at risk.

I'm not insinuating that the loss of a charter is more heinous than what happened to the girl, just saying that PKA could have done a better job.

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