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Old 09-19-2003, 01:58 PM
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I'd be happy to provide us with our first anti-Bush news of the day:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/19/opinion/19FRI2.html

I saw this one coming ever since he signed that law making fetuses (sp?) eligible for healthcare

not starting an pro life pro choice thread here - I have a bad feeling though that this is the first step to banning abortion completely. Its not going to stop the "baby killing" if a woman wants to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy that much, she'll do it - Mexico and Canada aren't that far away and to a woman who is desperate, anything will do.

Instead of babies dying - we will reverse the problem and have women dying from sepsis or blood loss from improper closet abortions.
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Old 09-19-2003, 02:32 PM
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That article mentions DPhiE alumna Senator Barbara Boxer.
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Old 09-19-2003, 06:32 PM
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I'm anti-bush too, I'm strictly dickly.
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Old 09-19-2003, 06:39 PM
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I'm anti-bush too, I'm strictly dickly.
wow, wasnt that saying used 7436462 years ago back when people were still monkeys?
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Old 09-19-2003, 06:42 PM
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wow, wasnt that saying used 7436462 years ago back when people were still monkeys?
What answer would sastify you?
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Old 09-19-2003, 06:48 PM
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I'd be happy to provide us with our first anti-Bush news of the day:
It's important to point out in terms of this discussion that the link was to an editorial -- not a news story.

Which doesn't mean it isn't right, but it is not offered by the Times as Fact -- rather as Opinion.

Having said that, one of my problems with this President is that he and his administration have been deceptive about a number of things.
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Old 09-19-2003, 08:27 PM
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Not that this is directly about Bush, but I thought my liberal GC friends would want to hear about it...
I saw a bumper stick a while back. It had an American flag with little white doves as the stars and it said "Peace is Patriotic". I loved it!!! Wish I could find it somewhere!
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Old 09-19-2003, 09:19 PM
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Odd.

From the title, I thought this thread was about depilation
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Old 09-19-2003, 09:27 PM
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Odd.

From the title, I thought this thread was about depilation
Ouch!
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Old 09-19-2003, 09:34 PM
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I think the reason people are nostalgic for Clinton is that things were in general pretty good back then, save for his sexual escapades in the O.O. I will say that his foreign policy was much better than some of his predecessors and certainly better than the current regime. Wow did I just say regime? It does sort of feel like a mass conspiracy of sorts is lurking out there, but at least it only has to last a year and 4 months.
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Old 09-19-2003, 11:14 PM
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The man is not considered a remarkable president, according to anything I've read - even ignoring his arrogance with regard to perjury etc.

I'm going to have to agree with a non-traditional school of thought and posit for you all that the legacy of a president should have little to do with the economic stability of the country DURING his presidency. Economic fluctuations are largely cyclical (yep, oversimplification, i realize), and the long-term effects often are seen years later.

True - historians I have read or heard speak put Clinton at middle of the road, at best. The only citation that comes to mind is Robert Dallek, a top Presidential historian who I have taken lectures with, and Dallek places Clinton in the lower/bottom half of Presidents.

Actually, your thought isn't so non-traditional; a great deal many more scholars are looking at the economic impacts of presidents after their administrations. It's more widely accepted now to say that, yes, even if a President was in office for good economic times, they were not necessarily of his own doing.

I think people have to draw the line between a good President and a good politician. Clinton is a damn good politician - his public speaking is excellent, he works crowds well, and he fits the TV generation to a T. Does this mean he was a good President? Not necessarily.

I don't know - I was a Clinton supporter at first, but as time has gone on and I've read more in history, I wouldn't repeat that statement.
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Old 10-11-2003, 01:14 AM
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How did I forget about this thread?

I will bump it with this

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