Sorority Girl/Frat Guy

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

the Delta Chis at my school were all about that particular turn of phrase as well. All the funnier since the only guys with a house on campus referred to their house as "the frat house." The Kappa Sigs were simple guys.

[honeychile]

I agree with DeltAlum (as usual) about defining the terms. While I wouldn't call myself a sorority girl (or sorority chick), I know that I have friends who would do so. What they know about fraternity or sorority life could be written on the head of a pin!

[DG515]

Every person I've ever told, face to face, that I was in a Sorority has been taken aback. They look at me with that "you?? no way" face. Do I have a 3rd eye? a MoHawk? Rainbow colored hair? No teeth? No, nothing of that sort. I'm just not your "typical sorority girl".
First of all, I'm opinionated (lol, which is both good and bad at times), I'm active at school, I'm outgoing, I'm a brunette, I'm "over-weight" ( i hate that term, what "weight" is the magic one that you are either over or under??? ) *which I think is the biggest problem they have (no pun intended) with picturing me in a sorority* and I'm "different". See, by different, I mean I'm not afraid to be a leader, to do what I want to do and not care what other people think.....If i want to wear my pjs to class because it's comfortable (although i've not done that, i can see myself doing it ) I've been a tomboy for most of my life, hanging around guys and being friends with guys all through HS. I joined a sorority to meet and make girl friends, because I knew I was missing out on somethings (like girltalk!!!) but I've made my share of guy friends through being a sorority (ironic, but true).
If you measure me by "typical sorority girl standards", I don't fit into most of the clothes in express so I guess I don't own much from there. I love my fraternity guy friends (Sig Eps rock my world! Love to the SPE's out there) and I hang out with them a lot, but I don't "make my way through the house" so to speak. I know how to have fun without getting drunk, I like to dance without turning it into a stripclub, and I can not only handle life in a blow-dryer pink and fluffy world, but I can live 2 months in primitive camping environment (i worked as a girl scout counselor all summer long). I can get dressed up one night and then get down and dirty outside the next....I can throw a football and paint my nails......I can write calligraphy and appreciate a good hockey game, rinkside......I am a woman in every meaning of the word, and if I don't fit into some "sorority girl mold" I'm not sorry....I'm not one thing, I'm many. But one of the things that makes me the most proud, is that I can say
I am a Delta Gamma
Greek Love and Mine
Mandie

[TKE Paco]

do you call your country a cunt? maybe if you failed english 1301. call it a count and see if anyone cares. don't get me wrong--i disagree with the usage of "frat" in place of fraternity....i just allocate my attention to more important matters at hand--like whether tomorrow is a shoes or sandals day. i have the utmost respect and pride in my fraternity, which is why anyone calling us a "frat" wouldn't even scratch the surface of my skin let alone get the time of day.

[EEKappa]

Originally posted by TKE Paco
do you call your country a c@$&?

I haven't heard that saying since 1987. SAE's at my school thought that they all but came up with it themselves.
(And I can't bring myself to even copy and paste the c-word. I must be getting old.)

If someone called me a "sorority girl" now I'd be just as flattered as when I got carded the other night buying beer at a concert.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by damasa
You know you wouldn't say America is a Cu*^, you would say it's a country. Get what I'm saying?

Yes, I get it. It's rather hard to miss that two-by-four. But, just like every other time it gets hauled out and swung around, it's a lame -- make that way lame -- analogy.

Of course, one wouldn't call one's country a ___. And the reason has absolutely nothing to do with it being disrespectful to shorten the name of something or someone one cares about. If that were the case, we would always say "America" or "The United States of America." This "USA" dissing would be out the door. (Question though: Is it okay to call someone else's country a ___? Just curious.) And what would we do about all those folks who love their 'burg or their 'hood. Not to mention all the folks go to school at or root for 'Bama or Ole Miss. (Come to think of it, I guess those CalTech and SUNY students have no respect for their schools either.)

No, the reason one wouldn't call one's country a ___ is because unlike 'burg, 'hood, 'Bama, Ole Miss, or, yes, frat, the "c-word" can actually be found in the dictionary (those that will print it anyway) as a word with one and only one meaning that is pretty-much universally considered obscene and offensive, especially to women.

When the general population starts writing "frat" as "f#*t" (oh but wait -- I guess it would have to be "fr*t" so it wouldn't get confused with "f*rt"), then the old "would you call your country..." analogy might have legs. Until then, give it a rest -- the case against using the word "frat" can be made much more effectively without it.

[damasa]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
Yes, I get it. It's rather hard to miss that two-by-four. But, just like every other time it gets hauled out and swung around, it's a lame -- make that way lame -- analogy.

Of course, one wouldn't call one's country a ___. And the reason has absolutely nothing to do with it being disrespectful to shorten the name of something or someone one cares about. If that were the case, we would always say "America" or "The United States of America." This "USA" dissing would be out the door. (Question though: Is it okay to call someone else's country a ___? Just curious.) And what would we do about all those folks who love their 'burg or their 'hood. Not to mention all the folks go to school at or root for 'Bama or Ole Miss. (Come to think of it, I guess those CalTech and SUNY students have no respect for their schools either.)

No, the reason one wouldn't call one's country a ___ is because unlike 'burg, 'hood, 'Bama, Ole Miss, or, yes, frat, the "c-word" can actually be found in the dictionary (those that will print it anyway) as a word with one and only one meaning that is pretty-much universally considered obscene and offensive, especially to women.

When the general population starts writing "frat" as "f#*t" (oh but wait -- I guess it would have to be "fr*t" so it wouldn't get confused with "f*rt"), then the old "would you call your country..." analogy might have legs. Until then, give it a rest -- the case against using the word "frat" can be made much more effectively without it.

I never invented the analogy, I just used it as an example. The fact of the matter is that no matter what, the word is disrespectful and that's how I see the word "frat" in most cases. Although I think you missed that point

I dislike being called a frat boy probably as much as you would hate to hear that Sinfonia is a "fake fraternity." (Not that I agree with that statement in the least.)

Is that better to understand? I don't want you to have to type another page response.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by damasa
I never invented the analogy, I just used it as an example. The fact of the matter is that not matter what, the word is disrespectful and that's how I see the word "frat" in most cases. Although I think you missed that point
I dislike being called a frat boy probably as much as you would hate to hear that Sinfoinia is a "fake fraternity." (Not that I agree with that statement in the least.)

Damasa, I think you miss my point. (And I don't think I ever said you invented the analogy. I just said that I don't think it is an analagy worth using.)

To put it a little more plainly, I respect completely that you consider the word "frat" disrespectful. Many, many people (mostly Greek) agree with you. Depending on the context in which it is used I would agree with you. (That is to say, I tend not be offended by the word "frat" unless it is used with the intent of being offensive or dismissive. Some people just don't know better. And I don't use the word myself.)

But, since many people don't know better, the reality is that many, many people do not think of "frat" as an offensive word. They just think of it as short-hand. (As suggested above, of course, some people unquestionably do mean the word to be dismissive at best or offensive at worst.) In this way, it differs from the "country" analogy, because the shortened form there is a word that no one could possible think isn't offensive.

So, when someone weighs in on the "frat" controversy with a simple "Would you call your country your ___?," my response is: "Of course not. But, given that we shorten words in English -- even names of institutions that we care about -- all the time, what does that have to do with why "frat" is offensive?"

Because it is a bad analogy, it weakens the argument of the person who uses it. We'd make a lot more headway if, instead of just saying "Don't call it a 'frat'! Would you call your country...?," we would actually explain why we find the word "frat" offensive -- because it carries an "Animal House" connotation, because it is stereotypical, because it suggests a lack of respect for an institution that means a great deal to us, etc. A response like that is much more likely to elicit an "Oh. I see. I've learned something and will try not to use it."

I hope this makes some sense.

Edited to add: Sorry, I didn't see your edit until after a posted my post.

[AlphaPhiBubbles]

Although I guess it's not that great to admit...on the outside I am totally a typical "sorority girl"... blonde hair, blue eyes, big boobs, relativley skinny (i guess) and i wear makeup like every day, own tiffany's jewelry....etc....but you know every single one of my high school friends was completley shocked when they found out I joined a sorority because of how I act and whatever.

but in the end I don't mind calling myself a sorority girl, cuz if people are going to judge me based on that label, they would have already judged me based on what I look like - so if they are going to judge me without making an effort to find out the truth, then I don't give a crap what they think.

[Tom Earp]

Do the words Boy and Girl remind you of little kids who are still tugging at Mommy and Daddys clothes?

The only Fraternity that I know of that comes close to Frat is TKE, who call their Brothers Fraters, but not boys!

When you become a member of a Greek Org. you are No longer little kids! Dah. There are many responsabilaties to deal with!

When you Graduate, will you be glad that your were Fraternity Men/Soroity Women!?

Damn Skippy!

[justamom]

Well to all you pictionary people who like to envision an image with a word-my sincerest apology!

WHY??? Because I will refer to my son as my boy...not my "man"
and if you just take it on a step further. he, in my eyes will ALWAYS be my boy and his friends will be boys and on and on...

I promise, I'll try to refrain from saying thing like fraternity-guys. boys, or sorority girls. Be happy I haven't used "frat" in years.
My son, my BOY, never heard it.

Some people take things way TOO SERIOUSLY!
In the scheme of things, this is so pitifully minute on the scale of world issues.

.........................but that's OK!

[Maroon5grl]

Originally posted by AOTTAdvisor

"You know, Atlanta really is that city for sorority girls that need their mommies and daddies....DC is the city for people with strength and backbone" (seriously, I could have been a serial killer at that moment)
But when I took a moment to breathe, I realized that

A. I was a sorority girl, because that meant I had a legacy of loyalty, sisterhood, friendship, and bonds that no one else but sorority girls understand
AND
B.I did need my mom and dad, I loved them more than life itself, and because of them, I understood how important FAMILY is

THAT is so mean!!!!! What in the world is wrong with wanting to be closer to your parents?! You can't have "strength and backbone" if you value your family so much that you'd relocate for them?! That comment really pisses me off. I'm so sorry you had to live with people like that!!

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by damasa


I think maybe my freshman year I sort of fit the fraternity boy type. I was pretty wild and out of control then. I have since grown up quite a bit and take school much more serious.

Yeah, but even though so, you still don't know the difference between adjectives and adverbs.



I declare this the official Hate on Blaine thread.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Yeah, but even though so, you still don't know the difference between adjectives and adverbs.



I declare this the official Hate on Blaine thread.

Hate hate hate.

Let's face it: there is a stereotypical sorority girl. It happens. Some of us are one, some of us aren't.

Make me a little tanner and a lot thinner, throw on a Tiffany's bracelet, and I'd be one.

Also, a fun fact: at another school I heard them referred to as "frat daddies," which I found much funnier.

[AOcutiePi4ever]

i dont care if someone calls me a "sorority girl."

after all, i am a girl, and i am in a sorority.

i would like to think of myself as a "woman" but i know that i am not that yet... still working on it... still feel more like a little girl then a woman sometimes...