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Old 08-08-2003, 12:21 PM
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I'd say if someone had sex with her, period, she was raped.

Most states have little-known laws regarding intoxication and consent. In Virginia, for example, after the legal limit of intoxication, a person can't give their consent.
That law is stupid. What happens if the girl does give consent and she is drunk? Does that mean it doesn't count? What if the guy is also drunk? Does that mean she raped him?
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Old 08-08-2003, 12:53 PM
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You said the article mentioned the sorority...but did it mention which fraternity?
Yes, it did.
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Old 08-08-2003, 01:24 PM
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I think this is a really bad portrayal of greek life. No fault of the people involved. But why is greek life featured so prominently in this article? The main photo is of this girl taking a shot, with her former sisters, one wearing her lavalier. The next page is the girl with her sisters doing a pyramid with their letters. And another of her scrapbook featuring drinking! Yet the article has nothing to do with greek life. It has to do with one students bad choices.
I don't think it reflects badly on the org that is featured. This is subtle hit towards greek life in general.
Let me be absolutely sure I understand the dynamics here.

There is an "after the fact" picture of this woman and her former sisters drinking a shot, at least one of whom was wearing letters? Another picture, certainly supplied by someone (if not shot by the mag for the article) of members of the chapter doing a pyramid with their letters. And, then, there are pictures from this woman's scrapbook?

What kind of dumb is that? On her part, and on the part of the other sisters?

Even if the pics were staged, why would they go along with it? If they were existing, why would she/they allow the magazine access to them?

Hell, the pictures help define the content of the article! If the magazine published the article with those pictures and DIDN'T mention the sorority involvement, everyone would (and rightfully so) be on their case for leaving out that part of the story.

Had the pictures not had any Greek reference, there is a chance that there would be no mention of it.

Folks, we simply MUST learn to understand that a reporter will (must) tell the story that is presented to him/her. If the "art" (pictures or video tape) includes clear references to the sorority, that will be part of the story.

Always.

There really is no other choice.

If the alleged incident had happened at a Library Club meetingl (informal or otherwise), that would be mentioned as well.

The article is apparantely unfortunate for the sorority and chapter, but if they aren't smart enough to distance themselves, they can't cry foul after the fact.
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Old 08-08-2003, 01:58 PM
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If they were existing, why would she/they allow the magazine access to them?
Because the sorority kicked her out and she is bitter, so she's not going to do anything to protect the chapter as far as their nationals getting on their case about drinking. The "pyramid" pic has black eye-bars over all the sisters except the girl the article's about. So I'm guessing that none of them consented to being in the article. The one w/ the girls doing a shot zooms in on the lavalier and where it hangs more than any women's mag needs to.

The sorority came off as unsympathetic bitches, but she also came off as a stupid drunk. Yay for equal opportunity! I agree that if the mag really wanted to tell an effective "don't let this happen to you" story, they would have skipped things that didn't need to be there (like the pyramid pic). Sassy used to have a feature called "It Happened To Me" that dealt with this type of thing in a much less exploitative way.
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Old 08-08-2003, 02:06 PM
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It will be interesting to see if there are any repercussions for that chapter.
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Old 08-08-2003, 02:22 PM
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Delt Alum I agree the pictures make the article. And it seems that all of these pictures came from the girl's scrapbook. All of the pictures have bars over the eyes, except for the girl.
Most girls who read this magazine will only skim the article. And if pictures are what they go by, it is all about greek life. Most all the pictures have symbols of her sorority in them.
But the article is about her bad choices. Not how bad greek life is. The sorority is mentioned because she was asked to resign, due to her bad decisions.
And between the article and the pictures, this article made everyone involved look bad.
I think it is just a crap article. Wouldn't be so damaging without those pics plastered across the pages. But the article really doesn't get to the point. It seems to me that it was just exploitive of the girl. (she probably had no clue what was going to happen when she agreed to this article). But this was CosmoGirl. I shouldn't expect great journalism from them. Just cute ads.
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Old 08-08-2003, 06:52 PM
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I've actually never even heard of the magazine.

My impression, because it talks about drinking shots with her former sisters, was that the picture was taken by the magazine after the fact. If that's not the case it makes a difference.

In any event, it sounds like you're right -- she had no idea of the outcome and ramifications of the article.
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Old 08-08-2003, 07:13 PM
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I have read the article and seen the pictures which look like they could have come from the woman's scrapbook, not the sorority itself. They look like the types of photos that you take just hanging out except for the one with the letters.
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Old 08-08-2003, 08:53 PM
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While all of this is interesting reading, when will someone post a link to it!????

Just because it is print, with photos, or on the TV Media, I am sure DeltaAlum being in a media can point out a lot of things as he tried to do!

What you read, see or hear aint always the truth! The Print Media has a great way of doing it especially with out of context photos!

This type of Yellow Journalism if it may very well be is How Do I Put This Nicely: F**CKING B S!
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Old 08-08-2003, 09:19 PM
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While all of this is interesting reading, when will someone post a link to it!????

Just because it is print, with photos, or on the TV Media, I am sure DeltaAlum being in a media can point out a lot of things as he tried to do!

What you read, see or hear aint always the truth! The Print Media has a great way of doing it especially with out of context photos!

This type of Yellow Journalism if it may very well be is How Do I Put This Nicely: F**CKING B S!
Unfortunately the article is not posted on Cosmo Girls's website. Right now, it seems the only way to read the article is to get the magazine.
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Old 08-09-2003, 12:55 AM
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Let's all write letters to the editor blasting them!
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Old 08-09-2003, 01:04 PM
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I am LMAO at the idea of Tom Earp and DeltAlum strolling down to the local newsstand and flipping through CosmoGirl and getting some VERY strange looks.

The pics were definitely ones from her scrapbook, not posed or done by a professional.
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Old 08-10-2003, 01:04 AM
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I am LMAO at the idea of Tom Earp and DeltAlum strolling down to the local newsstand and flipping through CosmoGirl and getting some VERY strange looks.
Yeah, that thought is pretty funny. Think I'll pass...
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Old 08-12-2003, 05:39 PM
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I am still pondering on the idea of skulking into a shop and reading it! So There!
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Old 08-12-2003, 07:15 PM
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That would be funny.
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