Are you a legacy? - Page 2

ilovemyglo · #16 06-16-2003, 09:08 AM

Actually, that would work, because all NPC sororities do one thing the same- they place all their legacies at the top of their bid list and then put the quota # of women in alphabetical order. So all of the legacies would be on top!

aephi alum · #17 06-16-2003, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by MSKKG
What if the legacy GLO meets quota? How can the legacy then get a bid?

The legacy GLO couldn't meet quota without considering her, unless she'd matched to another org.

Say Suzy is a legacy to XYZ and also preffed ABC. She lists ABC then XYZ on her pref card. She's on XYZ's first bid list because she's a legacy, but she happens to be dead last on ABC's second bid list. (Somebody's gotta be.)

During bid matching, ABC makes quota before Suzy's name could be moved over to the first bid list. Once ABC makes quota, an attempt will be made to match Suzy to her second choice, XYZ. Because she's on XYZ's first bid list, she'll match there.

(I hope this makes sense. I haven't had my coffee yet...)

MTSUGURL · #18 06-16-2003, 10:06 AM

Not a legacy to any group. I'm the first in my family to go to a (supposedly) 4 year school. A distinction of which I am rather proud, but I hate that it might hinder me in some cases.

astroAPhi · #19 06-16-2003, 10:16 AM

Not really a GLO legacy, but my grandma was very active in PEO (State President of Nebraska when I was born). I asked her what PEO was and she was very interested to know if I'd been asked to join.

I have a feeling that if Grammy hadn't had a stroke last year and was still her old self, some poor Florida chapter would be getting reamed out for somehow overlooking her legacy. *shakes head*

In any event, before her stroke, Grammy was very proud that I became an Alpha Phi, and even sent me a congrats card when she heard about my initiation! She had great respect for the Alpha Phis at UNL, where she attended school.

Now that I think about it, I am the first from my mom's side to go to college, so that would make it very difficult for me to be a legacy.

MSKKG · #20 06-16-2003, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by aephi alum
The legacy GLO couldn't meet quota without considering her, unless she'd matched to another org.

Say Suzy is a legacy to XYZ and also preffed ABC. She lists ABC then XYZ on her pref card. She's on XYZ's first bid list because she's a legacy, but she happens to be dead last on ABC's second bid list. (Somebody's gotta be.)

During bid matching, ABC makes quota before Suzy's name could be moved over to the first bid list. Once ABC makes quota, an attempt will be made to match Suzy to her second choice, XYZ. Because she's on XYZ's first bid list, she'll match there.

(I hope this makes sense. I haven't had my coffee yet...)

I see. So, Greek Life always gives legacies every opportunity to pledge their legacy GLO before their legacy GLO can fill quota. This is all so fascinating . . . but confusing!

carnation · #21 06-16-2003, 12:48 PM

I can see that working if you handmatch your bids like we did at Mississippi State but how will a computer know it must include a legacy who didn't get her first choice?

JohnsDGsweethrt · #22 06-16-2003, 01:17 PM

I have a ? about this legacy stuff as it relates to UGA and other big schools. How does all of this change when you have a ton of legacys going though? Say I have a daughter one day and she goes through with a bunch of other DG legacys. What can you do to ensure that your legacy gets picked over another. I hope I am making sense...

SigkapAlumWSU · #23 06-16-2003, 01:26 PM

am the first in my entire family to go Greek. When my brother went to college, he pledged Tekes, but dropped before initiation. I was very sad, as I wished that he had the same opportunity that I had, but it was the best for him.

At my school, legacies for any house are always pretty closely watched. We have at least 3 that I can think of at the moment in my chapter. One of my friends was a legacy to ADpi and ended up pledging. Later, her mother went through initiation, so when she has kids, her daughters will be triple legacies!

KappaKittyCat · #24 06-16-2003, 01:39 PM

Most orgs have a legacy rule, something like "All legacies must be invited back to the first invitational round. If they are invited to Preference, they must be placed on the first bid list." I see how this could be complicated if there are more legacies than quota, but you've got to realize that in a situation like that, orgs can and do cut legacies after the first invitational round. Legacies can and do release their legacy org. Basicly, the system is designed so that if a legacy makes it to Pref for her legacy org, the choice is up to her as to where she pledges. I guess it's up to the orgs to make sure that there aren't more legacies than quota coming to their Pref, 'cuz if quota's 25, there's no way they could get away with putting 30 legacies on their first bid list.

As for what you can do to ensure that your legacy gets picked over another, it's the same thing that you'd do to make sure that your daughter gets picked over another if she weren't a legacy. Groom her.

Carnation, I'm unfamiliar with computer programs, as our school matches by hand. But doesn't the computer know that after a group has filled quota, it moves all the women left with that org as first preference to their second preference...

To use aephi alum's example, the computer would run through and match the women to their first choice for as long as it could. Then, just like in the Green Book directions for hand-matching, wouldn't it have some sort of scenario in place to break grid lock and move to Suzy's second choice once ABC has filled quota? The only responsibility would be up to the orgs to make sure the women are placed properly on the bid list. And the comptuer wouldn't have to know to take a legacy who didn't get her first choice. Suzy is on XYZ's first bid list because she's a legacy. XYZ can't fill quota without Suzy unless Suzy matches ABC first, so once ABC's quota was filled, the computer program should know that Suzy and all other girls who first-preffed ABC should be moved down to their second choices.

I hope that makes sense-- computers are not my strong suit.

4RunnerStar · #25 06-16-2003, 01:50 PM

k i just need an explanation...

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Actually, that would work, because all NPC sororities do one thing the same- they place all their legacies at the top of their bid list and then put the quota # of women in alphabetical order. So all of the legacies would be on top!

lets say quota is 40 (i understand that it is more or less depending on the school but just bare with me...). okay quota is 40 and you've got 10 legacies. great. so you've got the 10 legacies at the top of your list and then you've got room for 30 more. okay so a girl who's last name starts with A (that loves the group but...) may not be as into the sorority as a girl with a last name that starts with Y (who is completely and utterly sure that this is the one and only group for her) so the girl that wants it the most wouldnt get a bid because her last name just so happens to start with "Y" and quota was met at "T." okay. thats kinda sad...but maybe i'm just not understanding this right so...somebody bust my bubble or something...

aephi alum · #26 06-16-2003, 02:20 PM

4runnerstar,

It's only the first bid list that's in alphabetical order. If quota is 40, then the first bid list is the 40 women the chapter would pick if they could have any 40 women they wanted. It would include the 10 legacies and 30 other women.

The second bid list is a contingency list in case women on the first bid list get matched to other sororities. It's in the order that the sorority wants the women in case some of their "top 40 choices" aren't available.

So Ms. Y would probably be on the first bid list. Ms. A. might or might not be. If Ms. Y is on the first list, whether Ms. A matched or not wouldn't affect whether Ms. Y matched or not.

KappaKittyCat · #27 06-16-2003, 02:29 PM

No worries.

Say quota is 10. Each chapter creates two lists from the women who preffed them. The first list has ten names on it in alphabetical order. These are the chapter's top ten choices, and because they're on the first list, there's no ranking to them. The second list isn't alphabetical, but numerical, ranked in the order that the chapter would like to have them if they don't get their top ten.

Say Amy and Jess were on ABC's first list. Amy put ABC first on her pref card, so she gets an ABC bid. However, Jess ranked DEF first, and DEF had Jess on its first list. Jess gets a DEF bid. ABC then crosses Jess's name off of their first list 'cuz she's already matched. They still have nine more spots to fill but only eight names left on their first list, so they move Mary, who was #1 on their second list, up to their first list. Get it? And if Mary has ranked ABC first, then she gets to be an ABC. On the first list, it doesn't matter what order the names are in, because if a girl wants to be an ABC and she's on their first list, then she gets to be an ABC.

Now if ABC fills quota before they get to Sally's name on their list, then the people/computer doing the matching looks at Sally's second choice and matches her there.

This is really confusing, I know, but your Rho Gammas will explain it to you again.

UF56 · #28 06-16-2003, 05:26 PM

Okay heres my question....lets say someone is rushing at Ole Miss, LSU, or UGA where the amount of legacies is huge. Lets say that quota is 60 and the amount of legacies that preffed one house is 65. Would the chapter have to rank the legacies in order of preference, and then the first bid list is in alphabetical and the left over five would have to be at the top of the second bid list in preference order or would there be some other thing that has to happen.

MSKKG · #29 06-16-2003, 05:33 PM

I doubt the chapter would get itself into that predicament. Can you imagine the VERY irate g'mom/mom/sister who just knew her legacy would be a new member because she went to legacy GLO's pref?!?

Because of this pref-legacy-new member connection, legacies are given the utmost consideration BEFORE pref. Greek Life keeps the GLOs updated on the quota amount after each round in part to keep legacy GLOs informed so that they can make their decisions early enough.

bruinaphi · #30 06-16-2003, 05:57 PM

This rarely occurs primarily b/c the chapters will usually release the legacies they are not as interested in but I would imagine that chapters that find themselves in situations like that usually inform the legacy connection of the situation beforehand (as in before rush starts they inform the legacy connection of the number of legs going through and that they are working with national officers on how they will comply with the legacy policy).