Membership: Nomenclature, semantics, etc...

[Ideal08]

Sorors and SF's, if you wish to continue discussing sizes of lines, please do a search and post it in the appropriate thread. This thread is NOT about that.

Move on...

[treblk]

referring back to the topic at hand...hoping it aint a hijack The name has been changed to protect the victim/suspect.
(Sorry it's long)

I personally knew a young lady (we'll call her Tina) who had a process for xyz, and before her pinning, the advisor told her and her dean, that their national headquarters was unable to extend membership to her due to incorrect calculations of grades. The dean decided to go ahead and pin Tina, and keep the situation quite until the graduate chapter could be established, and Tina would be a chartering member. As far as the chapter, the campus, and other members of the Sorority, she was a soror.

The sorority took in a line the following year, but for whatever reason, didn't put Tina's paperwork through with the new girls, so for 2 years (and for 2 lines), Tina walked around with letters, doing service with her chapter and sorors, went on road trips, and finally graduated and moved to another state and city. In her new state and city, she is reppin' her organization with the up-most, hanging with her sorors, going to social events, stepshows and what not. She meets a older chapter member and they bond, she tells her "prophyte" her situation and asks for help. Well, her "prophyte", let it slip to some other sorors about Tina's situation and well, all hell breaks lose .

Tina was assulted, both physically and verbally. Her phone didn't stop ringing, she got hate and threat emails. She was sought out by the president of the grad chapter and was brought in for "talks". It went as far as the Regional Board and I think they have a case pending on her, I haven't kept in touch with her.

It's one thing to prep, or do something horrible and get expelled, but for Tina and folks in her situation, how would you feel finding out that they aren't real?

[Ideal08]

Originally posted by treblk
referring back to the topic at hand...hoping it aint a hijack The name has been changed to protect the victim/suspect.
(Sorry it's long)

I personally knew a young lady (we'll call her Tina) who had a process for xyz, and before her pinning, the advisor told her and her dean, that their national headquarters was unable to extend membership to her due to incorrect calculations of grades. The dean decided to go ahead and pin Tina, and keep the situation quite until the graduate chapter could be established, and Tina would be a chartering member. As far as the chapter, the campus, and other members of the Sorority, she was a soror.

The sorority took in a line the following year, but for whatever reason, didn't put Tina's paperwork through with the new girls, so for 2 years (and for 2 lines), Tina walked around with letters, doing service with her chapter and sorors, went on road trips, and finally graduated and moved to another state and city. In her new state and city, she is reppin' her organization with the up-most, hanging with her sorors, going to social events, stepshows and what not. She meets a older chapter member and they bond, she tells her "prophyte" her situation and asks for help. Well, her "prophyte", let it slip to some other sorors about Tina's situation and well, all hell breaks lose .

Tina was assulted, both physically and verbally. Her phone didn't stop ringing, she got hate and threat emails. She was sought out by the president of the grad chapter and was brought in for "talks". It went as far as the Regional Board and I think they have a case pending on her, I haven't kept in touch with her.

It's one thing to prep, or do something horrible and get expelled, but for Tina and folks in her situation, how would you feel finding out that they aren't real?

How is Tina not a perp? She should have never been pinned in the first place, she didn't even meet the STANDARDS to join the org!!! She's ghost, which to me is the exact same thing as a perp. If Tina was SMART, she would have known that she wasn't a nationally recognized member, and would not have been galavanting around reppin' something that she was not. Process/pin or no process/pin. She instead would have been trying to join a graduate chapter. And why tell that you aren't real?? And if you KNOW that you aren't real, what EXCUSE did you give for running around in 'nalia and carrying on?

The Dean should have never pinned her. This is exactly how we end up with these crazy situations in our organizations. People need to use better judgement. That's just my .08.

[Happydaysf91]

Hmmmmm!

1. How would Tina be a 'chartering member' of the grad chapter without having membership in the organization?

That doesn't make sense.

2. Tina knew she wasn't a full fledge member and wouldn't have all the rights and privileges as such....so why would she walk around likes shes a member....especially if she wanted to do the 'right' thing.

3. That's why one shouldn't get caught up in this mess........we tell you the way we do things, but you do something else and then try to get mad at US. I don't like what happened to her (the abuse)....but she was never a member! She's a dang perp!!! What Tina needs to do is give the name of the 'individual' that thought she should be 'made' any way so she can get the 'boot' as well!!! When are people going to learn that they are not BIGGER than our organizations!!!!

[AKA2D '91]

hijacking...wtf!

[treblk]

please believe I agree with all you both said.
I remember trying to explain to Tina how wrong she was for her action. We had numerous agrurments about her situation. We stop being friends because I use to tell her she shouldn't be reppin' what she really aint. But her attitude got the best of her.

She was a fake, not matter what her dean said or what her advisor said they would do to help her out. The advisor, along with Tina, were going to take in a line to charter the grad chapter and though Tina wasn't an official member, she was going to bring these ladies in and her name would be on paper along with the new ladies.

I never understood why her paper work was never re-submitted with the 2 lines after her.

[Happydaysf91]

I can only speak for Alpha Kappa Alpha.....but in order to 'charter' a line....you have to be a member.

Are you stating that members were going to charter a chapter and when they had their next line she was promising to be on it...

If not...the whole thing doesn't make sense. Usually, you can't be a 'charter' member of organization you are not a part of yet....

How does that sound....Yeah...I'm going to be on a 'charter' line of XYX...but I'm not a member...

[Ideal08]

Originally posted by treblk
I never understood why her paper work was never re-submitted with the 2 lines after her.

Maybe she never had the grades?

[treblk]

Originally posted by Ideal08
Maybe she never had the grades?

No ya'll she had the grades, at least her last year, she was just waiting for the grad chapter to be chartered.

Like I said, this is a ture story. If you were in the DC area during the summer of 99' you may have heard about it.

When it happened, some of her "sorors" started speculating on my membership (since we were roommates and hung out togethere) please believe, that was shut down quick fast and in a hurry.

[sigmadiva]

So, if she had the grades, what prevented her from making it legal? Did she think she could easliy slip through the cracks?

[Ideal08]

Originally posted by treblk
No ya'll she had the grades, at least her last year, she was just waiting for the grad chapter to be chartered.

Ok, help me understand a little bit more, lol. If there was no grad chapter chartered, where was the advisor from? Or were they trying to charter a new graduate chapter (in addition to the already existing one)? This all sounds real suspect. Or maybe not, I guess every org operated differently. But in Alpha Kappa Alpha, the advisor comes from the sponsoring graduate chapter. So the advisor was in on her pinning, too? She needs to get the boot as well.

How they just gon' assume you were a perp, too? Naw, I mighta asked to see your financial card, too, lol.

[Ideal08]

Originally posted by sigmadiva
So, if she had the grades, what prevented her from making it legal? Did she think she could easliy slip through the cracks?

This is a trip, ain't it? I feel like callin' treblk on the phone, get to the bottom of all this, lol. Because wouldn't that be something important to remember? How could they leave her paperwork out with the next line??? It just all sounds real suspect.

[sigmadiva]

Originally posted by Ideal08
But in Alpha Kappa Alpha, the advisor comes from the sponsoring graduate chapter. So the advisor was in on her pinning, too? She needs to get the boot as well.

Its all about checks and balances. Multiple forms and a lot of signatures. I can understand a perp who, out of the blue, shows up to the greek store and buys stuff to wear. But, if those who should be in control are not, then that is a more serious issue. The same is true for SGR. The advisor comes from the sponsoring grad chapter. I was an advisor and I made sure every young lady had her paperwork in order.

Unfortunatly, people want to do what they want to do and not follow the rules when it is sooo much easier and better in the long run if you do it right the first time.

Just to note: I do keep my financial card in my wallet. Right next to my Sears card.

[treblk]

Ok, let me clear some things up.

Her advisor was with another chapter and with 2 other sorors, wanted to charter another grad chapter.

They left her paper work out of the lines that came after her because no one besides her and her dean and advisor (I think her line sisters all knew too) knew. Her dean graduated and moved to another city, so couldn't do anything for her. If she tried to stick her paperwork in with the new girls, then questions would be asked and what not. It seemed better to wait on the grad line.

If Tina never moved out of state, she might have become a "real" soror, because the new grad chapter was chartered in 2001.

ideal, girl you can PM me if you like. Like I said, this is in the past, but it did happen.

[Ideal08]

Originally posted by sigmadiva
Just to note: I do keep my financial card in my wallet.

So do I.