Sibling GLOs - Who's who's sister or brother organization?

[kstar]

Originally posted by queequek
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As far as I know, I don't think we have any "GLO siblings".
I know that Alpha Gamma Rho and Alpha Gamma Delta are related through agriculture (see the AGR and AGD, both has Ag), and I've heard that they are siblings.

We don't have a brother org., though if we did, I think it shoud be Alpha Delta Gamma, ADG and AGD, hehe...

[Greekgrrl]

Sigh. Excuse me as I hijack the thread a little bit, but this is a topic that absolutely riles me.

Nothing in Theta's history or member education that I have ever read has ever indicated that the ritual was written by any non-member. Theta's ritual evolved over its early years (through practices of initiated members) but its fundamental meaning and significances were instituted by the four founders.

That article (see UToledoFiji's post), though not unbased exactly (yes Bettie Locke had ties to FIJI and Beta), was written in a very patronizing tone that is fitting with the time in which it was written and, I think, belittles what the first Thetas achieved at DePauw. The first Thetas were stubborn, independent individuals who did a great deal of flouting the current societal trends.

And though there's a historical link there obviously, and we appreciate and hold dear the gift from the FIJIs, the implication that anyone but Thetas were ultimately responsible for the Fraternity or that the impetus for the whole thing was wise learned men guiding them in the right direction is a bit rude.

There's a fascinating article on 'the first coeds' at DePauw (not written from a Theta point of view particularly) that I'll link to as soon as I can find it.

Greekgrrl

[stagebear]

the syracuse triad is alpha phi, alpha gamma delta and gamma phi beta. a lot of campuses that have all three do events each year.

a lot of campuses with a.phi and sae see that as a sister/brother relationship. we do here!

[CardinalSM]

Originally posted by Betarulz!
Actually, JerzeeBoy is closer to the truth, as I think that one of the founders of Theta...and I want to say a Chi O founder too, had fathers and brothers who were Betas.

Dr. Charles Richardson was a founder of Chi Omega and he was a Kappa Sigma, not a Beta.

[ilovemyglo]

queequek-
waaaaayyyy off!!! Alpha Gamma Rho is an agricultural based fraternity, Alpha Gamma Delta is not. They have a % of their members that have to be ag majors and are located at large agricultural areas and schools.
Alpha Gamma Delta has no ties to AGR, at all.
As a matter of fact we are closer to Lambda Chi Alpha because we are located next to each other in Indy and they have produced the DOUBLE VISION program together.
.... other than that
One of our founders created the TKE's coat of arms.... you can see some of the same principles if you study them!

Other than that- no brother fraternity.

[White_Chocolate]

pi kappa alpha and phi sigma sigma have some weird connection. . .we both use the 'once. . .always. . .'

i'm sure PIKES and Phi Sigs know what i'm talking about

[Optimist Prime]

Sigma Kappa

[slamit93]

I could be wrong, but my ex gf was a pi phi, and she told me that beta helped with their founding, and are their brother fraternity... I am a Theta Chi and I know that we have no such affiliation with a sorority

[aephi alum]

AEPhi does not have an official "sibling GLO". The founders didn't have any help writing their ritual (that I am aware of).

At many schools, AEPhi and AEPi are unofficial brother/sister orgs... similar letters, both historically Jewish, etc. The AEPis at my school gave my local sorority's founding sisters a lot of help getting started (though we didn't call ourselves Sigma AEPi ).

What irks me is when people think AEPhi is AEPi's little-sister org... um, AEPhi was founded first

[breathesgelatin]

Originally posted by slamit93
I could be wrong, but my ex gf was a pi phi, and she told me that beta helped with their founding, and are their brother fraternity...

I'm almost positive that's wrong. I know for sure that Pi Beta Phi does not have a national brother fraternity. I have also never heard that a Beta helped with our ritual.

There is a lot of misinformation out there on GC and elsewhere about "brother/sister" groups. Just for everyone's information:

1. It is very, very rare that a national NPC sorority and NIC fraternity have any sort of relationship to one another nationally. The only exceptions are for orgs like Chi Omega and Kappa Sigma. A Kappa Sigma assisted in the founding of Chi Omega. Chi O's and Kappa Sigs correct me if I'm wrong, though, I do not believe that they have an OFFICIAL brother/sister status. There are a few other groups that this is the case for. As sugar and spice says, there are no OFFICIAL NPC/NIC relationships.

2. The NPHC groups have more formalized brother sister/relations as articulated by starang and others.

3. Obviously, local GLOs can do whatever they want.

4. Where a lot of the misinformation comes from is situations like this:

Fraternity XYZ (local or national) starts a little sister group at some point in the past. These little sisters form group TUV. The TUV sisters become more and more formalized and become local sorority TUV. Then they decide to seek national NPC affilation. They become national group ABC. Well, of course the ABCs still hang out with the XYZs. The XYZs brought their group together in the first place. So one could say that the XYZs helped in the founding of their original group TUV and were their brother org, but nationally ABC does not claim that status with XYZ.

It's important to know your local and national history so that you know which is the case.

Edited to make things a bit clearer.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
George Banta (Phi Delta Theta) helped establish Delta Gamma;

I feel the need to split hairs, but George Banta helped to establish and expand Delta Gamma chapters in the North, at a time when many women's colleges were being closed in the South.

As for DG's being established, it was just the 3 women founders.

[sugar and spice]

I just want to add to that.

No NPC sorority has an official brother fraternity.

A couple have unofficial ties to fraternity men who helped found their organization, set up chapters or write their rituals, such as one Chi Omega founder being a Kappa Sigma, or Delta Gamma and Phi Delta Theta. However, these are not brother fraternities, and sometimes the fraternities themselves don't even make mention of these links in their histories. Sometimes fraternities will mention a brother helping to found some sorority in their histories while the sororities make no note of this whatsoever. So the whole brother/sister thing is kind of sketchy, most of the time.

In the NPHC, there is one official brother/sister arrangement: Zeta Phi Beta and Phi Beta Sigma. From my understanding, most of the other groups have unofficial pairings (Alpha Kappa Alpha and Alpha Phi Alpha, for example) although they can differ on the campus level.

Delta Delta Delta has no brother fraternity and no unofficial ties to any fraternity as helping to found us . . . our founders created Tri Delta and wrote the rituals themselves.

[xo_kathy]

Originally posted by White_Chocolate
pi kappa alpha and phi sigma sigma have some weird connection. . .we both use the 'once. . .always. . .'

i'm sure PIKES and Phi Sigs know what i'm talking about

I'm not sure if you are referring to the saying "Once a Phi Sig always a Phi Sig", but I think tons of orgs use that. Also, I was a Pike sweetheart and it was not something the guys in that chapter ever really used. Because if it had some tie ritually I am a)sure you woudn't reference that on a public message board and b)wouldn't know that about each others rituals. Just a thought... Of course, if you aren't talking about that then smack my mouth and call me Fanny!!!

Also, yes, one of Chi Omega's five founders was Dr. Charles Richardson. The 4 ladies had gotten together hoping to start a Greek org. like the men had, they knew Dr. Richardson because he taught at the U of Arkansas and they knew he had been a Kappa Sig so they approached him for help. He led them in the right direction then assisted them later by drafting our first ritual based on the Eleusinian mysteries. While I have no way of knowing, I don't think our ritual is anything similar to that of Kappa Sigma - no similar symbols or crests etc. So, while it did state in my pledge book that because of "Sis Doc's" affiliation with Kappa Sig we have a special place for them in our hearts so to speak, there is NOT an official brother/sister relationship. However, we did not have them on my campus, so I don't know how the 2 groups interact on campuses with both orgs.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by xo_kathy (in part)
While I have no way of knowing, I don't think our ritual is anything similar to that of Kappa Sigma - no similar symbols or crests etc.

Both Chi O's badge and Kappa Sig's badge bear a skull and crossbones (as, of course, do the badges and coats-of-arms of some other groups as well). Whether they mean the same thing, only someone who knows the rituals of both groups could say.

[Shelacious]

From: Zeta Phi Beta International Web site:
http://www.zphib1920.org/heritage/incorporators.html

Zeta Phi Beta must acknowledge the encouragement and support provided its members by the men of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc., especially "Lord" Charles Robert Taylor and A. Langston Taylor. From the Sorority's inception, the members of Zeta Phi Beta and Phi Beta Sigma have successfully collaborated on a variety of community service projects, shared national, regional, state and local activities and developed and enjoyed the bonds afforded a sisterhood and brotherhood with a shared purpose. No other two organizations can boast of such a rich, mutually beneficial relationship that has resulted in a complete and comprehensive record of service to the men, women and children within our communities.

Zeta was not founded by members of Phi Beta Sigma to be the little sister arm of Phi Beta Sigma, but founded by five women with assistance from two members of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, to be a sister (female complement) organization with a shared purpose to Phi Beta Sigma. Oddly enough, none of our Five Pearls (Founders) married any member of Phi Beta Sigma.

The relationship between our two organizations is ratified in our respective Constitutions, and we do indeed share similar purpose and symbolism. On both the National and local levels, we try and conduct as many joint activities as possible, but the two groups are fully autonomous and operate independently of each other.

Just explaining the genesis and rationale for our brother/sister association because sometimes I hear some "out there" explanations!