VH1's 50 GREATEST in Hip Hop

[jll79]

Can someone tell me what happened to SLICK RICK, DOUG E FRESH, and Scarface.....HELLO????????????

How were these guys left out but they put Stinkin Ja Rule and P. Diddy???? I personally feel that they (ja rule and Puffy) should have been put at the end of the list or even better, not at all. This is like putting Ashanti before Aaliyah or Aretha Franklin. The tape with that countdown should be burned and buried.

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by jll79
Can someone tell me what happened to SLICK RICK, DOUG E FRESH, and Scarface.....HELLO????????????

How were these guys left out but they put Stinkin Ja Rule and P. Diddy???? I personally feel that they (ja rule and Puffy) should have been put at the end of the list or even better, not at all. This is like putting Ashanti before Aaliyah or Aretha Franklin. The tape with that countdown should be burned and buried.

Yeah, that's what I wanna know too - what happened to Slick Rick and Doug E. Fresh????

IMO, Eve, MC Lyte, Kurtis Blow (another pioneer), The Roots, Big Daddy Kane (his style is often imitated), and Eric B. and Rakim should have been moved up the list.

How is it that LiL' Kim beat out Eve????

Nas got jipped big time.

[jll79]

Originally posted by FeeFee
Yeah, that's what I wanna know too - what happened to Slick Rick and Doug E. Fresh????

IMO, Eve, MC Lyte, Kurtis Blow (another pioneer), The Roots, Big Daddy Kane (his style is often imitated), and Eric B. and Rakim should have been moved up the list.

How is it that LiL' Kim beat out Eve????

Nas got jipped big time.

What I really want to know is how in the Hell is Lil Kim BEFORE MC Lyte!!!!!

[starang21]

clearly this list was put together by someone who didn't ish about hip hop. why the hell wasn't rakim in the top 5? he's one of the most influential MC's EVER.

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by jll79
What I really want to know is how in the Hell is Lil Kim BEFORE MC Lyte!!!!!

You got a point there. MC Lyte was definitely putting it down back in the day.

I think the whole list needs to be revised.

[starang21]

hold up, take into account they had puffy hosting a show on hip hop music....come on now. you know this ish'll be suspect just off rip.

[FeeFee]

Another question:
How is that Arrested Development made the list and not Common??? VH1 gots some 'splainin' to do.

[lil_sunshine]

This list should be redone as an internet poll and Ja Mule should NOT be an option at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blackwatch]

All an internet poll would do is put 50 cent or JaRule at #1 because little kids cuttin' class at school during the day would log on and vote for their favorite artist (check the countdown on 106 and Park ) Trust me, I see it everyday on the job. I think a better way would be to come up with objective and operational criterior so that the "artists' " career's work would speak for them.

Some of the criterior could be:


-Lyrical talent (actually look at the lyrics on paper)



-Production values (original or creative "samples" involving jazz, new age, etc.)


-Longevity (Number of Albums released nation wide)


-Effect on the culture as a whole (how many other "artists" are influenced by them)


-Social relevance of the lyrics (meaningful, uplifting, or revolutionary lyrics, or just more machismo posturing)


-Record Sales (weighted very low, but necessary, hip-hop has to resonate with a wide group of people, namely oppressed people)

This way, the poll will be more true to the theme of "greatest of all time" rather than "greatest in my opinion"

Blackwatch!!!!!!

[DELTAQTE]

Puffy had every right to be on this list. This list was about people who CHANGED THE GAME in hip hop. Puffy ruled hip hop from 98-00 after Biggie was dead. That is refered to as the "shiny suit era". He truly was one of the first to do the bling bling and all of that.

If this were a list on LYRICAL skills alone, I'd be but it's not.

Ja Rule, as much as I can't stand the rat, did change the game with those collabos with R&B singers. Now everyone is doing it. Too bad it blew up in his face.

some of the artists that are being spoke on are good lyrically, but I wouldn't of put them on this list if this is a list about who has made an impact on hip hop. Just because you have good skills doesn't mean you made a impact.


QTE

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by DELTAQTE
Puffy had every right to be on this list. This list was about people who CHANGED THE GAME in hip hop. Puffy ruled hip hop from 98-00 after Biggie was dead. That is refered to as the "shiny suit era". He truly was one of the first to do the bling bling and all of that.

If this were a list on LYRICAL skills alone, I'd be but it's not.

Ja Rule, as much as I can't stand the rat, did change the game with those collabos with R&B singers. Now everyone is doing it. Too bad it blew up in his face.

some of the artists that are being spoke on are good lyrically, but I wouldn't of put them on this list if this is a list about who has made an impact on hip hop. Just because you have good skills doesn't mean you made a impact.


QTE

Yeah, P. Diddy, Puffy (whatever he calls himself ) deserves to be on the list, but to have him beat out Afrika Bambaataa, Nas, Eric B & Rakim, KRS-One, Snoop Dogg, Ice Cube, Busta Rhymes, Big Daddy Kane, The Roots, Gang Starr, Kurtis Blow and Kool Moe Dee IMO is pure B.S.

Let's not talk about those shiny suits - I never did like those dang things anyway.

When rap first came out, it was about lyrical content and the potential for rap music to change the future.

Ja Rule was No. 39 - let him stay there!!!!!

IMHO it doesn't matter whether or not someone has the bling bling. I'm checking for your lyrical content. If your lyrics aren't "bling blinging", I can't be bothered with you. When Big Daddy Kane and Slick Rick came out, it was all about the fat gold rope chains, the three/four finger rings and gold teeth, but when you listened to their records, you knew that these brothers had serious skills and were forces to be reckoned with.

There are those on the list who I feel should not have even been put on there. As talented as Grandmaster Flash is, he is not a rapper. He was the DJ for the Furious Five/Melle Mel. HC he was listed as a solo act? What happened to the rest of the group.

Simply put, the whole list is severely flawed and I just have to look at the list with a grain of salt. Just consider the fact that VH1 is the source.

[DELTAQTE]

Hopefully if they make a lyrical list one day, they will consult some people in hip hop before they make it. Cause they might have a mini riot at VH1, lol.



QTE

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