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Old 03-24-2003, 08:06 AM
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Is that a rhetorical question?


yeah it is rhetorical. it was just a joke.

you guys keep bringing up this 'freedom of speech'. well we are using our 'freedom of speech' in saying what we feel about him.
that is one of the reasons america makes me so mad, we use our 'freedom of speech' like greedy little children. did anyone ever stop to consider a little thing called discipline?
people use their 'freedom of speech' to insult. others use their 'freedom of speech' to reprimand. is there such a line that is crossed within this freedom?
i value my freedom of speech but i also know when the time comes that i need to shut up.
that guy had every right to his opinion. he just has no sense. he did have any respect to realize that it a sensitive subject that was on everyone's mind and that it wasnt the right time to discuss sides.
i just wish that 'freedom of speech' wasnt looked at as 'freedom of speech abuse'

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Old 03-24-2003, 08:43 AM
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Old 03-24-2003, 08:55 AM
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I didn't watch . . . what exactly did the guy say? (Or if it's so uncouth that you don't want to repeat it can somebody link to a site with a article that does?)
I didn't see it either but they showed a little clip on it on Good Morning America, the look on the audience's face was priceless, I was CTFU at them.
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Old 03-24-2003, 10:55 AM
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I agree with what many of you have said...his speech was a little over the top. However, I *might* value his opinions more than the average dingdong celebrity.

On a side note, was Bowling For Columbine good?
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Old 03-24-2003, 11:02 AM
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I personally didn't think it was uncouth. I think Michael Moore said what a lot of people are afraid to say in public. Here is an article on his speech:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...309EST0088.DTL

Michael Moore criticizes U.S. war in Iraq in Oscar speech

ANTHONY BREZNICAN, AP Entertainment Writer

(03-23) 20:09 PST LOS ANGELES (AP) --

A standing ovation and a handful of jeers from Hollywood's elite greeted filmmaker Michael Moore when he criticized President Bush and the U.S.-led war in Iraq during his acceptance speech Sunday after winning the documentary feature Oscar for "Bowling for Columbine."

"We live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts," Moore said.

Applause gave way to some boos, as the orchestra began to play the filmmaker off the stage.

"We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush. Shame on you," Moore shouted, surrounded onstage by his fellow nominees in a show of solidarity.

"It was so sweet backstage, the teamsters are helping Michael Moore into the trunk of his limo," host Steve Martin joked later.

"Bowling for Columbine" was Moore's satirical exploration of violence in America. The title refers to the fact that gunmen Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold went bowling before they opened fire at Columbine High School in Colorado, killing 12 students and a teacher before turning the guns on themselves.

Asked backstage why he made the remarks, Moore answered: "I'm an American."

"Is that all?" a reporter asked.

"Oh, that's a lot," Moore responded.

He said the Iraqi conflict sends a negative image to the nation's youth.

"What was the lesson that we taught children of Columbine this week? ... That violence is an acceptable means to resolve a conflict," Moore said backstage.

Moore dismissed the jeers, telling reporters: "Don't report that there was split decision in the hall because five loud people booed."

The rotund, scruffy-bearded activist from Flint, Mich., also directed the 1989 documentary "Roger & Me," in which he pursued former General Motors Corp. boss Roger Smith to confront him about the collapse of the auto industry in Moore's hometown.

Moore also is the author of the best-selling book "Stupid White Men ... And Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation," which criticizes American politicians for favoring corporate wealth over public well-being.

Scattered appeals for peace and grim reports from the U.S.-led war in Iraq added a sober contrast to Hollywood's traditional night of glitzy self-glorification at Sunday's Academy Awards.

"In light of all the troubles in this world, I wish us all peace," said Chris Cooper, ending his acceptance speech after winning the supporting actor award for "Adaptation."

Cooper was among several nominees, including Meryl Streep and Martin Scorsese, who wore dove peace pins on their formal wear as a silent statement about the war.
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Old 03-24-2003, 11:04 AM
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BTW, his website is www.michaelmoore.com. I can't get on it for some reason right now, but I'm sure he will have more comments posted.
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Old 03-24-2003, 11:09 AM
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Considering Michael Moore looks like he bathes maybe once a month I don't know why people are surprised he didn't express himself in the most correct way.

I loved, loved, loved "Roger and Me" because I could relate to it - it was like my hometown on a larger, scarier scale - but I think MM has just fallen a little too in love with the image of himself as the person who always tells the emporer he has no clothes, whether it's valid or not.
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Old 03-24-2003, 01:18 PM
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I didn't watch the Academy Awards, but I did hear some of Mr. Moore's speech. It brings to mind what the band director at my high school would tell his students (now, I'm paraphrasing here because it has been a while!):

It's better to keep quiet and let me think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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Old 03-24-2003, 02:21 PM
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"We live in fictitious times. We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president.
Wow accusing a man of winning something under false pretense; hypocrisy at its finest. As an aspiring entertainment writer in the past I practically idolized Mr. Moore’s style but I am sickened that he won the Academy Award for Best Documentary.
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Old 03-24-2003, 02:29 PM
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On a side note, was Bowling For Columbine good?
Yes, it was VERY good.
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Old 03-24-2003, 02:31 PM
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Yes, it was VERY good.
at skewing the truth…
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Old 03-24-2003, 02:33 PM
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i watched the oscar's last night as well b/c it's the one big tv event i honestly look forward to every year. and i was really, really impressed with how everyone was so tactful showing how they felt about the issue...whether it was one way or another. everyone knows how susan sarandon feels about war, and i was a little nervous she might pull a michael moore or worse (simply b/c i know our soldiers overseas will watch it, and we need to show support, not anger)...but she came out, slyly smiled, and held up a peace sign. i thought that was great. i personally think we are doing the right thing right now, and i 100% support our troops and hope and pray they come home safely ASAP (!!!).....sometimes i think artists take their fame and use their freedom of speech unfairly. it's fine to voice your opinion, but i don't think it's necessary to go beyond what the average american can do about it. i can't get on such a public soapbox and voice how i feel.....but b/c someone makes a movie, they can.....and seeing as though they have that priviledge, i don't think it should be abused. and mr. michael moore, in my opinion, definitely abused his right of free speech.
over-all, however, i think everyone was respectful and kept in mind that our american soldiers would be watching...and how about adrien brody stickin it to halle berry???? priceless!

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Old 03-24-2003, 02:50 PM
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at skewing the truth…
how?
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Old 03-24-2003, 02:51 PM
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how?
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Wow accusing a man of winning something under false pretense; hypocrisy at its finest. As an aspiring entertainment writer in the past I practically idolized Mr. Moore’s style but I am sickened that he won the Academy Award for Best Documentary.
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Old 03-24-2003, 03:34 PM
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It's funny. Michael Moore's speech took 30 to 45 seconds of air time last night and every show was talking about him this morning.

I like Roger & Me and MM in general. I think that his speech was not a big deal at all. I wish he had more time to talk..like 15 or 20 more seconds so he could thoroughly insert his foot in his mouth.

lol@ Steve Martin for the teamsters are helping MM into the trunk of his car.
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