Ghetto fab

[Munchkin03]

I sincerely hope that this person is not a member of my NPC group.

Maybe where she goes to school, this sort of behavior is tolerated, and maybe even seen as cute. It doesn't make it right, but it is not surprising in a lot of places.

In response to the person who posted in response to CT4's post: Just because racism isn't as big an issue to you as it is to other posters (who may or may not have experienced crippling racism in their and their ancestors' lives), it doesn't mean you have the right to toss it aside as "some crap about race issues". Man, I'm not even from NC, and I know that people of ALL RACES refer to it as "Norf Cackalacky"--it's not ghetto!

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
In response to the person who posted in response to CT4's post: Just because racism isn't as big an issue to you as it is to other posters (who may or may not have experienced crippling racism in their and their ancestors' lives), it doesn't mean you have the right to toss it aside as "some crap about race issues". Man, I'm not even from NC, and I know that people of ALL RACES refer to it as "Norf Cackalacky"--it's not ghetto!

Yeah Norf Cackalacky is just "Country", LOL. I just put my own spin on it after all of these winter storms that shut ALL of North Carolina down and called it Wackalacky in honor of the wacky behavior of folks when one inch of snow falls.

[valkyrie]

I have to say that I find the "ghetto fab" theme idea offensive and I really don't understand the point of it. Maybe I'm a little to PC for my own good, but I really think that all of these themes poking fun at a particular group are pretty offensive and in poor taste -- that includes ghetto fab, white trash, Italian wedding, whatever.

When you really think about it, what are people at a ghetto fab party going to be doing? Excuse me for saying it like this, but everybody knows they're going to be dressing and acting like what they perceive black people in the 'hood dress and act like. I think that is just wrong, insensitive and inappropriate, and if I were advising a chapter that wanted to have such an event, I would certainly object and use it as an opportunity to educate people as to WHY I think it is inappropriate.

What I don't understand is when fun became based on poking fun at or stereotyping others. It seems like there is a lot of that going on lately, and I'm constantly hearing about these "theme" ideas. When did this all start? IN MY DAY (ohhh, I know how old that makes me sound) that stuff didn't happen. Why does it happen now? Why are we as greeks not upholding higher standards than this? Isn't that the point of our organizations -- to uphold the higher standards of womanhood and all that?

I think we should ALWAYS ask ourselves whether what we are doing is constructive and whether it is putting down anyone else, either directly or indirectly. By putting down others we are only putting down ourselves.

[sugar and spice]

(Who wants to bet on how long it will take before this thread gets locked?)

I'm going to admit that I've been to a "Ghetto Fab" party. Nobody came in blackface. Nobody wore fake Afros or fake weaves or anything like that. The girls mostly wore velour J-Lo sweatsuits. The boys wore sweatpants and wifebeaters. Other than that, it wasn't any different from any other party I'd been to so far this year. There were people of every race there and as far as I could see, none of them took offense to the theme.

That said, was it culturally insensitive? Of course. But was it racist? Probably not. It is definitely not something I would want associated with my sorority (this was not a Greek party, nor was it associated with my sorority in any way). If one of my sisters had suggested this as a possible mixer theme, I would have fought it to the bitter end. And had I known the host of this particular party, I probably would have tried to get him/her to change the theme beforehand. Still, as it was, I went, everybody had fun, there were no racial incidents, and I don't think anybody's feelings were hurt.

I think the primary thing here is ignorance -- most of the people at my school, regardless of their race, wouldn't consider a Ghetto Fab party an insult to any culture. They'd just think of it as another way to party. Most of them, if they were really asked to think about it and discuss it, would probably choose a different theme. And I think that is the case for most campuses around the nation.

[starang21]

Originally posted by UF_PikePC98
Check it.......


Go to a footlocker and look for anything nike or fubu.

The other day I saw a tank top in the mall that looked like a basketball Jersey but it had the Cadillac emblem and instead of a name on the back, it said "Caddy". It was baby blue.

I'd say go get an addidas head band, probably white. Get an all baby blue outfit from Champs, Footlocker, Atheletic attict, Hibbets or whatever sports store you have in your mall. Don't tell the guy at the counter you want to look ghetto, he might get pissed. Thats mainly because alot of ghetto people do work at sports stores.

and i thought university of florida was a place of higher learning. funny how the internet makes your balls so much bigger.

[Timber]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
(Who wants to bet on how long it will take before this thread gets locked?)

Howdy,

I bet right now. Sheeesh folks!

Do I sound like a broken record? Again, I repeat, these are the forum rules:

1. Please respect one another.

2. Please take personal attacks to PMs, IMs, EMs, or hell, you all can take it to the chatroom! I don't give a damn you don't have to go home, but you have to leave here.

3. For the last time, are you people blind or just stupid? DO NOT REPORT ONE POST MORE THAN ONCE!

4. Don't be a jerk. It's that simple.

This does not pertain to any specific person. So do not take it that way.

ZA

[starang21]

Originally posted by SATX*APhi
You don’t see Latinos crying because you threw a fiesta mixer, complete with piñatas and tequila. And what about luaus?

you're joking right? we've already said something about luaus. i know good and well hispanic folks would be hot over a fiesta mixer, ESPECIALLY if people were to dress in a certain way. and delta tau delta did a party in which frat boys dressed up as GI's and the girls were vietnamese hookers, that didn't go well with the asian community. before you say something about how a certain ethnic group will react, why not know something about them first?

[sugar and spice]

Here's the infamous luau thread, for the interested:

http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...threadid=28832

[librasoul22]

SATX*APhi, usually, you seem pretty even-tempered. What is the deal here?

I can't speak for CT4 or Bamboozled, but I was more agitated at UF_Pike's respnse than the actual idea of a ghetto fab party.

CAN such a party be carried out without racial overtones? Maybe. Unlikely though. Face reality...in America, when you think GHETTO you think BLACK, even though "ghetto" refers to class, not race.

If one wanted to have a REALISTIC ghetto party, one would throw it in a project hall with no electricity, no heating/air, and rodent infestations. That is the ghetto.

I would venture to say that this is not the case, and that the org. throwing the party is looking for people to imitate modern urban culture and what MTV/BET portrays as "ghetto fabulous," (which is a really absurd oxymoron).

Just as a side note, defensiveness is rather unbecoming.

[AlphaO]

I honestly apoligize for even creating the original post, I was unaware that it would cause so much drama. The was by no means my intention. Call me whatever you want, but I never once too he theme of "ghetto fab" as a racial thing. It was never meant to be that. I guarentee that the sisters of my sorority will not be at the event "acting black" or however it is that you "act black." I can see everyone's point, that you may find it offensive, but I bet that I could find something offensive about a lot of the mixers that everyone has had. So again, I am sorry about even bringing it up. I can assure eveyone that no one's intentions were to piss other people off with some stupid theme!

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by librasoul22
I can't speak for CT4 or Bamboozled, but I was more agitated at UF_Pike's respnse than the actual idea of a ghetto fab party.

Thank you. My replies for the most part were again a SARCASTIC response based on UF Pike's comments.

AlphaO, I don't know you nor do I dislike you. Your mixer has the POTENTIAL to take a facet of culture, be it Black culture, hip hop culture, and cast it in a negative light. I would hate for 2 weeks from now a newspaper article come out and say "GHETTO FAB PARTY caused RACIAL TENSION at XYZ University."

[DELTABRAT]

Yeah, as my Soror stated, anything noted as being ghetto fab automaticaly implies that it is some satire on black life. Several cases make your argument that "we" just look to harp about anti-black stuff.

One: The "rap" (not Black rap, party, was the theme when the white folks showed up in black face.

Two: Look at the first response to her initial question. UK_Pike's response was to go down to footlocker and get some Nike (see the Air Force One's thread and the reference to the Ghetto Quotient...Air Force One's is a rap song by Nelly a Black person in case you didn't know) and FUBU. FUBU last time I checked was For Us By Us and refers specifically to9 Black people. He didn't say go to Bebe, Saks Fifth Avenue, Neiman's or even hell, Express, but Footlocker and get Nike or FUBU.

You need to wake up and stop being delusional and recognize that "we" aren't as ignint (read:ignorant) as you would like to think. We can see some racist shit coming a mile away sweetheart and we are trying to warn the girl before soem shit goes down, which it undoubtedly would.

Damn. I am mad at myself becasue I typically don't read, let alone respond to these types of threads.

OUT!

BTW the reasong my Soror and any other Black person for that matter could care about a white trailer trash wedding theme is because WE don't sit around thinking of "fun" little shit to do while not being cognizant of the obvious undertones that are created by doing such. Yeah, who gives a shit that Justin Timberlake HAD a white trash birthday party with beer and tweenkies instead of cake...he's white. I wonder how many Black folks were there...probably not a lot.

Check the history, the number of times, Blcak folks have had a stereotypically racist theme party are most likely far fewer.

The real problem is that Black culture dominates america and so most things that are labeled ghetto, slang, etc., are inherently Black.

Originally posted by SATX*APhi
Although this mixer may not have the best of themes, I think you all flew off of the handle, minus breathes gelatin who remained calm. CrimsonTide4, nobody ever said it was going to be an anti-black party or anything relating to blacks. There are numerous races of people represented in the ghetto. I think you were just out looking for something to pick at. YOU turned this into a “black bashing” event. Look at your location: “Queen City, Norf Wackalacky.” Norf? Isn’t that displaying some sort of hypocrisy?

My personal opinion is that a white trash wedding mixer is more offensive than a ghetto fab mixer. The latter isn’t calling out a certain ethnic group. I’m not saying that a ghetto fab mixer is acceptable, rather, I think you totally made it out to be something that it wasn’t portrayed to be. If it were a black bashing party, don’t you think AlphaO would know how to dress? You said it yourself, “6 big BLING BLING CHAINS.” And she couldn’t forget her “COLORED WEAVE. . preferably that matches her outfit. Oh and then she has to have a celly and2 way attached to her outfit.” But wait, there’s more! “she needs to acquire the GHETTO FAB LINGO: Weeeeeeeeeeeeees Siiiiiiiiiiiiiide, Fo Shizzle, Dat's just my baby daddy. . .” Puh-lease! You don’t see white people making a huge deal about a white trash wedding. You don’t see Latinos crying because you threw a fiesta mixer, complete with piñatas and tequila. And what about luaus? I could go on and on, but I know when to quit, unlike others. Quit complaining and for once, find something else to pick at. Not everyone and everything is anti-black!

[Honeykiss1974]

This lack of mixer/theme creativity is the reason why we need to keep music and art programs in schools.

Ok, back to the subject at hand....

[damasa]

In the defense of SATX Aphi: I think she was more or less relating the issue to a racial issue, that infact people jumped the gun and thought right away that "ghetto fab=racial issue." She stated that she did not condone such an event and wouldn't support it. Her argument was more so to the affect that just because it has the "ghetto fab" theme doesn't mean that it is a straight up racial issue (blackface painted on a white guy and whatnot). And if you think about it, unfortunately there are all races and colors that are located in our "ghettos." As far fetched as that may seem, it's the truth, it's not just related to African-Americans (not in my opinion anyway) and I think SATX APHI was trying to clarify that point.

I don't agree with the theme either, I think it's stupid to be honest, but it's not my mixer - i'd never throw it or attend it, I piss on such a mixer. But if such a mixer did take place, that doesn't mean that a man showing up in blackface will ultimately occur, maybe, maybe not.

A lot of people jumped the gun in this thread - the point, it's a stupid theme/party but it doesn't mean that the theme is backed by racial intent - it could be, but that's not certain.

Ghetto fab mixer theme = BAD, gc peeps = good company, keep it that way, we all get stupid sometimes, sometimes we aren't stupid but people still think that. Back up off the thread a little, calm down, don't say something you will regret, or already do. If you do, I will be forced to HIJACK your thread and you don't want that.


Example of damasa HIJACK:

ok, so my hijack isn't working right now, we'll get back to yo uon that.....

[SATX*APhi]

Originally posted by librasoul22
SATX*APhi, usually, you seem pretty even-tempered. What is the deal here?

I usually am, you are right. What irritated me was the quick-to-assume ghetto fab = racial attack bash. I never said the mixer theme was an acceptable one. In fact, I said the opposite. The only issue I had here was somebody being so quick to turn this into a racial issue when it wasn't.


damasa, thanks. HE got what I was saying!