Zeta Phi Gamma???

[sigmadiva]

Originally posted by REIKI
I was just stating a fact ... and still maintain that it is ludicrous to think that they need to be notified of a sign similarity. To propose so just really reeks of ignorance.

Look, a member of ZPB posted the original question and she asked what we thought and I posted my thoughts. From her question, I understood that she was concerned that the ZPB hand sign is being used by a group that call themselves ZPG, which is similar to ZPB, which is their (ZPG) choice , and I have no problem with that. Quite honestly, I have no probelm with the whole hand-sign thing. But, if it irks some of the ZPB members then maybe they should speak up and say 'Hey, your hand-sign is similar to ours, did you know that?', because maybe, just maybe, ZPG sincerely did not know. Or maybe ZPG did know. That is why I proposed notifying ZPG. Should an official letter come from ZPB IHQ? No, I don't think the problem is that serious, but if there are some ZPB members at Texas Tech and they casually and politely say something, then I think that would be enough, if anything at all. I mean if you want your org to stand out, then do something original.

There are many people out there who have a small understanding of greek life and the nuances that go with it, here, it is hand-signs. It may seem a bit confusing to some one who is not in the greek world when they see two groups with similar names and similar hand-signs.


Since I'm a SGRho anyway, the ZPB/ZPG thing does not affect me directly, but I will support my NPHC/NPC/MCGLO/NAFLO/Locals sisterfriends whenever possible.

[DarknLovlieZeta]

When I first saw their website, I was a little concerned about whether they knew about Zeta or not. I understand that since we only have 10 fingers, there are so many hand signs that we can do. New organizations are constantly popping up, trying to have a sign they could call their own, so I wasn't really suprised or highly bothered about it. I just figured that sooner or later, something like this would happen. I also understand that we have sorors going to the same school as this Latina sorority (Texas Tech), which is why I was a little concerned. Maybe they couldn't come up with any other hand sign but the 'Z'. I just wanted your feedback after you checked out the website. Thank you for your thoughts.
DarknLovlie

[REIKI]

Originally posted by sigmadiva


There are many people out there who have a small understanding of greek life and the nuances that go with it, here, it is hand-signs. It may seem a bit confusing to some one who is not in the greek world when they see two groups with similar names and similar hand-signs.


Since I'm a SGRho anyway, the ZPB/ZPG thing does not affect me directly, but I will support my NPHC/NPC/MCGLO/NAFLO/Locals sisterfriends whenever possible.

Exactly ... that is why this whole thing seems so petty and infantile from a non-greeks perspective. What do I as a non-greek think when I see two groups with similar names and hand-signs? Oh, O.K., interesting, that is all. It is Greeks like yourself that suggest petty and ignorant things like confronting another organization over a hand-sign like you are a gang or something, that turn around and complain about a lack of respect from non-greeks when you don't even have respect for other Greeks. That is just how I see it.

[sigmadiva]

Originally posted by REIKI
Exactly ... that is why this whole thing seems so petty and infantile from a non-greeks perspective. What do I as a non-greek think when I see two groups with similar names and hand-signs? Oh, O.K., interesting, that is all. It is Greeks like yourself that suggest petty and ignorant things like confronting another organization over a hand-sign like you are a gang or something, that turn around and complain about a lack of respect from non-greeks when you don't even have respect for other Greeks. That is just how I see it.

Fine. I respect your opinion.

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by REIKI
Exactly ... that is why this whole thing seems so petty and infantile from a non-greeks perspective. What do I as a non-greek think when I see two groups with similar names and hand-signs? Oh, O.K., interesting, that is all. It is Greeks like yourself that suggest petty and ignorant things like confronting another organization over a hand-sign like you are a gang or something, that turn around and complain about a lack of respect from non-greeks when you don't even have respect for other Greeks. That is just how I see it.

Whoa. You are rather out of line. What sigmadiva suggested had none of the undertones that you imply (confronting the org like a gang?) I mean, did I miss something? Because to me, it looked like sigmadiva said:

maybe they should speak up and say 'Hey, your hand-sign is similar to ours, did you know that?'

I don't see how you derived confronting them like a 'gang' from that. Also, you have a pretty nasty attitude. It is one thing to express your beliefs, and another to be downright rude about it.

As a non-greek myself, I didn't see anything inappropriate about sigmadiva's suggestion or her concern. It's not like she was advocating a picket line or something. I also think it was a little underhanded to call someone (or their beliefs) petty and ignorant just because you don't agree with them.

[REIKI]

Originally posted by librasoul22
Whoa. You are rather out of line. What sigmadiva suggested had none of the undertones that you imply (confronting the org like a gang?) I mean, did I miss something? Because to me, it looked like sigmadiva said:



I don't see how you derived confronting them like a 'gang' from that. Also, you have a pretty nasty attitude. It is one thing to express your beliefs, and another to be downright rude about it.

As a non-greek myself, I didn't see anything inappropriate about sigmadiva's suggestion or her concern. It's not like she was advocating a picket line or something. I also think it was a little underhanded to call someone (or their beliefs) petty and ignorant just because you don't agree with them.

It is never out of line to voice your opinion, especially if it is grounded in reality; and if you are willing to deal with the consequences of doing so. I was speaking of a gang mentality, more so than a physical confrontation in gang style. I still maintain my stance: it is ignorant of someone to do something like that, it is indicative of a gang mentality, and it is petty.

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by REIKI
It is never out of line to voice your opinion, especially if it is grounded in reality

Okay. But who defines reality? I mean, maybe in YOUR reality your opinions are 100% correct, but in someone else's, they are absurd. Kind of pretentious to think that you can define what reality is for everyone.

I was speaking of a gang mentality, more so than a physical confrontation in gang style. I still maintain my stance: it is ignorant of someone to do something like that, it is indicative of a gang mentality, and it is petty.

That's fine too. But the fact is that you took what she said TOTALLY out of context and dressed it up that way. No where in her post did she say anything about a physical confrontation. You read A LOT into her post and took some liberties with how you perceived it.

[REIKI]

Originally posted by librasoul22
Okay. But who defines reality? I mean, maybe in YOUR reality your opinions are 100% correct, but in someone else's, they are absurd. Kind of pretentious to think that you can define what reality is for everyone.



That's fine too. But the fact is that you took what she said TOTALLY out of context and dressed it up that way. No where in her post did she say anything about a physical confrontation. You read A LOT into her post and took some liberties with how you perceived it.

Reality: No one owns hand signs.

Reality: That fact is not debatable or subject to my biases.

Reality: Since no one owns hand signs, it is a bit ignorant to approach an organization with a similar hand sign to notify them of their "infringement".

Reality: I still maintain my stance.


ig·no·rant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.
Lacking education or knowledge.
Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
Unaware or uninformed.

pet·it also pet·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pt)
adj. Law
Lesser; minor.

in·fan·tile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nfn-tl, -tl)
adj.
Of or relating to infants or infancy.
Displaying or suggesting a lack of maturity; childish: infantile behavior; an infantile remark.

gang1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gng)
n.
A group of criminals or hoodlums who band together for mutual protection and profit.
A group of adolescents who band together, especially a group of delinquents.
Informal. A group of people who associate regularly on a social basis: The whole gang from the office went to a clambake.
A group of laborers organized together on one job or under one foreperson: a railroad gang.
A matched or coordinated set, as of tools: a gang of chisels.

A pack of wolves or wild dogs.
A herd, especially of buffalo or elk. See Synonyms at flock1.

men·tal·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mn-tl-t)
n. pl. men·tal·i·ties
Cast or turn of mind: a vindictive mentality.
The sum of a person's intellectual capabilities or endowment.

re·al·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-l-t)
n. pl. re·al·i·ties
The quality or state of being actual or true.
One, such as a person, an entity, or an event, that is actual: “the weight of history and political realities” (Benno C. Schmidt, Jr.).
The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence.
That which exists objectively and in fact: Your observations do not seem to be about reality.

[librasoul22]

Reality: That third one was actually an opinion. IGNORANCE is rather subjecive. I find your mentality to be rather ignorant, but I am sure you do not share that belief. Therefore, you cannot say something is in FACT ignorant.

[gwiz1914]

I can understand your concern Soror; however do you know how many times I've seen people on tv or sporting events throw up the "Sigma" hand sign? I think you should let it go. I seriously doubt they knew about it!







Gwiz1914
"Culture for service,Service for humanity"

[SWASS]

We know that handsigns can't be copyrighted. We also know that this is not the first time that a handsign of a GLO has been used by someone other than a member. You have Jay-Z using the delta sign, you have the rockers using the Phi Beta Sigma sign, you have the surfers using the Alpha sign, you have the whole Murder Inc. family and Snoop using the SGRho sign. This is all common knowledge. NOW, just because these are known instances, doesn't make it feel any better when one of these orgs sees something they equate to their org being used by someone else. That is, IMO, the reasoning behind this post. I also think it is funny when a non-member of an organization comes to a GREEK hangout and try and blast people in these organizations ON THEIR boards....that is funny, but understandable. Why?, because the interrnet gives a person the ability to be anonymous. With this ability comes the so called "power" to say what they want to without the fear of being harmed for what is said. That is why REIKI took on the "attitude" of trying to school someone on a post they made. On the internet you can cuss someone out and what is the repercussion of doing so?....absolutely nothing. Unless, of course, the person is known by another personally, and most times that is not the case. Like in this case, what would be the repercussion of me posting this message?...well, the person who I could be posting to could write a response back and on and on it could go, but in all "Reality", since we now know the definition of it, the "actual truth" of the matter...nothing....mortgages and rent will still be paid, cable is still on.........the world is as it was........

Originally posted by REIKI
Reality: No one owns hand signs.

Reality: That fact is not debatable or subject to my biases.

Reality: Since no one owns hand signs, it is a bit ignorant to approach an organization with a similar hand sign to notify them of their "infringement".

Reality: I still maintain my stance.


ig·no·rant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.
Lacking education or knowledge.
Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
Unaware or uninformed.

pet·it also pet·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pt)
adj. Law
Lesser; minor.

in·fan·tile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nfn-tl, -tl)
adj.
Of or relating to infants or infancy.
Displaying or suggesting a lack of maturity; childish: infantile behavior; an infantile remark.

gang1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gng)
n.
A group of criminals or hoodlums who band together for mutual protection and profit.
A group of adolescents who band together, especially a group of delinquents.
Informal. A group of people who associate regularly on a social basis: The whole gang from the office went to a clambake.
A group of laborers organized together on one job or under one foreperson: a railroad gang.
A matched or coordinated set, as of tools: a gang of chisels.

A pack of wolves or wild dogs.
A herd, especially of buffalo or elk. See Synonyms at flock1.

men·tal·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mn-tl-t)
n. pl. men·tal·i·ties
Cast or turn of mind: a vindictive mentality.
The sum of a person's intellectual capabilities or endowment.

re·al·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-l-t)
n. pl. re·al·i·ties
The quality or state of being actual or true.
One, such as a person, an entity, or an event, that is actual: “the weight of history and political realities” (Benno C. Schmidt, Jr.).
The totality of all things possessing actuality, existence, or essence.
That which exists objectively and in fact: Your observations do not seem to be about reality.

[Sahara]

I looked at their site and the only sign that I saw was the 'Z' sign. Were they doing another sign that was similar to yours (I could have easily missed it)?

REIKI- there is a difference between voicing a different point of view and down right disrespecting another person! Maybe you should stop GANGing up on other people and stop acting IGNORANT and PETTY!
If you don't agree with a comment another person said, fine. Make a counter argument. Attacking the person is uncalled for especially since YOU MISUNDERSTOOD her comment!
Yes, it was completely your fault!

I wonder what you must've been thinking to ASSume she meant anything else???
hmm......talk about a serious LACK of knowledge!

[REIKI]

Originally posted by SWASS
We know that handsigns can't be copyrighted. We also know that this is not the first time that a handsign of a GLO has been used by someone other than a member. You have Jay-Z using the delta sign, you have the rockers using the Phi Beta Sigma sign, you have the surfers using the Alpha sign, you have the whole Murder Inc. family and Snoop using the SGRho sign. This is all common knowledge. NOW, just because these are known instances, doesn't make it feel any better when one of these orgs sees something they equate to their org being used by someone else. That is, IMO, the reasoning behind this post. I also think it is funny when a non-member of an organization comes to a GREEK hangout and try and blast people in these organizations ON THEIR boards....that is funny, but understandable. Why?, because the interrnet gives a person the ability to be anonymous. With this ability comes the so called "power" to say what they want to without the fear of being harmed for what is said. That is why REIKI took on the "attitude" of trying to school someone on a post they made. On the internet you can cuss someone out and what is the repercussion of doing so?....absolutely nothing. Unless, of course, the person is known by another personally, and most times that is not the case. Like in this case, what would be the repercussion of me posting this message?...well, the person who I could be posting to could write a response back and on and on it could go, but in all "Reality", since we now know the definition of it, the "actual truth" of the matter...nothing....mortgages and rent will still be paid, cable is still on.........the world is as it was........

Sweetie I have no reason to fear being 'found out'. If you would like to know who I am, I will gladly send you a private message with my name & mailing address. As far as I am concerned, the conversation is way past squashed because you will see it as you see it given your knowledge and experience, and I will see it as I see it given my knowledge and experience.

Peace.

[SWASS]

Originally posted by REIKI
Sweetie I have no reason to fear being 'found out'. If you would like to know who I am, I will gladly send you a private message with my name & mailing address. As far as I am concerned, the conversation is way past squashed because you will see it as you see it given your knowledge and experience, and I will see it as I see it given my knowledge and experience.

Peace.

And I would need to know that information because?......there are "real" crazy people on the internet and giving out personal information to the wrong person could be a bad thing....but that statement is made by many as a show of "I am not trying to live behind the veil of the internet"...anywho........

And if the conversation was truly "squashed" as you say, you would not have posted a response. Somewhere in the back of our minds, we are always striving to get the last word with the the thought of "how dare they respond like that to my post"...it is the way of the cyber world...like an unspoken rule...so until someone totally stops posting, is it really squashed, or is it based on the perception of the person's "reality" who states it is squashed first?....ummm, that's a brain twister.

(my mom always said I was a rebel child... )

[ZetaAce]

Howdy,

I'll squash it.

ZA