Another reason Lambda Chis hate Sig Eps

[Mooch279]

My 2 cents

Did anyone else notice in the article where it said he (Sig Ep guy) got off on the wrong floor and “happened” upon a party? Little too convenient for me, more like he was on his way to the party, saw the Lambda Chi’s there and said oh sh*t.

I’m not just saying this b/c I am a LCA, I really think people should mind there own business. Remember this is college, best years of our lives and all that. Hey my chapter isn’t an angle and neither are any of the other chapters on my campus but we don’t squeal on each other because that will just start a tattle tail war. They were just rushing people like chapters do all across the country and have done for decades. It’s not like they were selling the potentials drugs or hiring hookers……which chapters on my campus have done/are doing.

I really don’t want to argue, I find in situations like this, it doesn’t really make a difference. Every semester during rush the sororities on my campus nail each other for the pettiest little violation you can think of, and nothing comes out of it except the bitterness towards each other raises a little bit.

[EM1843]

I agree the guy from SPE's ntl hq could have handled it better but we still took a chance in breaking the rules. It will teach them to either change their rush methods or be smarter about what parties they throw...

[justme]

Originally posted by Opie25
Do you think you could change the title to this thread...it's not very interfraternal?

just wondering.

Oh, and why would Hoosier change the title..? Hoosier’s sole purpose on GC is the see how much trouble he/she can stir up. Do a search for other posts by Hoosier - you will see that it is VERY rare for Hoosier to actually post an opinion to anything - he/she must have either a lot of free time or just gets paid to read just about every online newspaper out there - the bad PR articles get posted to GC - and then Hoosier is GONE... I'm sure Hoosier is lurking in the shadows just to see the aftermath and damage that is done.

Part of being Greek is handling the bad PR that gets out there about our organizations, unfortunately, we, as Greeks are the ones doing what's being reported. I don't actually mind when someone posts an article about Greeks on GC - I think as a community it is beneficial for us to know what is being said about us...

I am, however, growing tired of Hoosier's intentional "FIRE STARTING"

Grow up HOOSIER..... don't you have any original ideas in that head of yours? Or is your intellectual ability limited to the copy and paste function of your computer?

Regarding the article... I can't believe the number of people supporting LXA in this. I also can't believe the number of people that are taking a LOCAL incident and turning it into a NATIONAL perception. I know plenty of LXA's and SPE's that not only get along but are great friends. I know a SPE chapter that co-sponsored one of their recruitment events with LXA because LXA was having trouble recruiting members. SPE held their 1st event with LXA to help get guys to check out LXA... you know what?.... LXA had a large, quality, new member class that year BECAUSE, in part, of the efforts of SPE. Now both chapters are very strong and both chapters would do ANY for each other.

[kateshort]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
To be quite honest, what a PI*S Poor way to act!
Boo To The Sig Ep member who did this and shame on him!

Wow, Tom, I feel the same way about you, man.

Let's look at the facts:

* The members of the "caught" org were IN PUBLIC, after rush contact hours.
* The PNMs with alcohol were UNDERAGE IN PUBLIC.
* The person witnessing it was a NATIONAL HQ member of the other fraternity.

Now, I'm sorry, but no matter what orgs you're in, this could have happened. This isn't active members of an org having a beer at one of the guys' house. This is in public, at a hotel, with underage drinking. Sorry, but that's illegal whether you're greek or not.

If I was a guy from the *International org's HQ*, I'd be bound to report it, too. That's not a little thing to be swept under the rug.

As for being a crybaby, Tom, it sounds like that's the attitude you're taking right now. Face it, members of your org got caught doing something stupid, against rules. They were in public. They should have known better.

I tell my collegiate chapter that you can't discuss, or do, certain things in public. You shouldn't take your little out drinking in letters at a bar where your rival org drinks, for example-- you're begging to get caught that way. Not like it's legal anyway, but if you're going to break the rules, you should plan on following the consequences if you get caught, plain and simple.

As for setting one org against the other, that's dumb too. Could have been another fraternity, could have been a sorority, whatever. The guy from the other org's nationals probably could have been fired if he swept it under the rug-- he followed his conscience best he could. But he's one guy in one fraternity, and it makes little bearing on members of those fraternities in other schools.

[doubleblue&gold]

So just because everyone else does it makes it okay?? If you break the rules, you have to be prepared to pay the consequences. How will things ever change for the better if you just ignore it?

<<<<<<<Oh, sorry officer, I thought it was okay to drive drunk and hit 3 other cars with innocent people in them because everyone else I know drives drunk>>>>

[JerzeeBoy26]

are you people all crazy? clearly most of you have NO CLUE how fraternity rush works at most schools. and to suggest that the sigep would have been fired? "following his conscience"? what a load of crap. im sorry for you if you believe that. this guy is just trying to screw another house. you think every sigep event there is clean? i highly doubt it.

[LeslieAGD]

This isn't about Sigma Phi Epsilon and Lambda Chi Alpha.
The SMU chapter of LXA broke the rules.
The person that happened to catch them in the act was a Sig Ep representative.
End of story.

[g41965]

I went to law school at SMU and I know for a fact that at least from 1988-1992 every fraternity broke rush rules at SMU, every fraternity took guys down to Greenville or the West End or Deep Ellum and got them hammered (not to mention taking Rushees to topless clubs) in an effort to get pledges. I saw way to many Frat Guys at Snuffer's, Milo Butterfingers and Cardinal Puff's during rush week not to know otherwise.
Maybe Sig Ep has reformed, I speculate however, that SigEp went inactive in 2001 and what is going on is completely under the control of the national and thus squeeky(geeky?) clean.
I am not condoning getting 18 year olds drunk, I'm not even sure I want my five year old son to go greek, but please lets not be shocked by the LXA's behavior.

[33girl]

The title of this thread is TACKY and NOT TRUE. If it could be changed I'm sure all the SPE's and LXA's would appreciate it.

LXA broke the rush rules, and yes if they are caught they should be disciplined - no matter who caught them. However, I believe the Sig Ep rep "accidentally" got off on that floor like I believe the check is in the mail, you have a bridge to sell me, and it's only a cold sore. I'm also questioning how he knew for sure that the potential members he saw were underage unless he checked their ID's.

and justme, I agree with you. Hoosier, if you get a woody from doing cut and paste, fine, but please don't double post articles - it's dangerously close to spamming the board.

[Tom Earp]

Oh, so excuss the hell out of me for standing up for my Fraternity and not for some one who turned them in!

It was not a member of LXA but a member of another Fraternity.

While what they did was against the covenents of LXA, I do not beleive it was up to this individual to talk to the school.

He could have been much more professional about it and contacted International Headquarters or someone at the local Chapter! But to go to the School, DA, would you want that to happen to your Chapter?

Have none of you in your piousness ever broken rush rules? Have you been turned in by a member of another Organizations National Officer?

Do we as Greeks get enough heat because of the stupidity of Chapters without this kind of tripe?

I really do not much care if some ouf you think my first post was wrong! That was my opinion and I stand by it!

Get off Hoosiers ass, he is just relaying what has been done! I have talked with him and we think alike! I know what Fraternity he is a member of and it is not LXA! But I consider him a Interfraternal Brother. The same with DeltaAlum who people take shots at him, or zntke711 who does the same thing! Just what do they do but point out the events and facts, nothing but the facts!

Some of you stand up for the Honor of Greeks and from reading your post some of the things on GreekChat, we/you are our own biggest problems and worst enemies!

I notice some of you are newbies on Site, good for you and glad you are here! Welcome! But until you find out what is going on, please observe and see what a great bunch of people are here!

Originally posted by LeslieAGD
This isn't about Sigma Phi Epsilon and Lambda Chi Alpha.
The SMU chapter of LXA broke the rules.
The person that happened to catch them in the act was a Sig Ep representative.
End of story.

It's a shame that I had to read the entire thread before I saw this one, Leslie.

Tom, I understand that it's important to defend your fraternity...but what else was this representative to do? Pretend that it didn't happen? Doing so would only continue such behavior by the LCA brothers.

Common sense tells me that if you don't want to get in trouble, you shouldn't be doing things that'll get you in trouble.

[Tom Earp]

OTW, it is not the problem of what he did, if you read my last post, but the way he did it!

There were several ways to handle it! Did he do it the right way?

That is the discussion as far as I am concernd! Would I go crying to the School about something like this? No!

Do We As Greeks Need This From a member of a Headquarters Memeber, No!

Is he an unadulterated Ass? Well ???

We have had our problems with SPE at my Chapter, yes! Are we trying to work it out between us and not get the School envoled again! Yes!

If this crap keeps coming down, we are both off of Campus and to what purpose does that do for each Orgnization!???!!!!

Does it do any good to have Brutus Stab Ceasur in the back such as this happened!

Come on OTW and shortsitedskirt is this good for us??

[lifesaver]

A couple points:

1). I agree with Tom's belief that we should try to handle things in house. I was really disapointed a year ago whwn an undergraduate brother of mine made an inapproperate comment and a sorority girl overheard. Instad of havign their president talk to our president or advisor to advisor, she went to the greek advisor and it caused the group some embarrassment. This VERY NAIEVE new member had no idea of what was up. In this day of bad PR all around, we shoudl limit what we expose to the media. Partly by our actions, but partly by just beign smart.

2) If the Lambda Chi's at SMU broke the rules and got caught, they deserve the punishment they get. Really, it aint that big of a deal for those boys. I can assure you 5K to them is like a 50 spot to the rest of us. Also, them being a Grand High Alpha Chapter (the highest award you can get as an undergraduate chapter), their alums donating the 2nd most amount to Lambda Chi annually and being the home base for the strongest Alumni Association in the nation, these boys will weither this storm with no problem. The national org will let them get a way with MUCH more than many other chapters.

3) L(h)oosier, you need to change the title of this thread. Let me be very clear on this issue... You dont speak for me. You dont speak for my brothers. Dont EVER allow yourself the luxury of thinking that you do. And dont put words in my/our mouths, understand? I am a Lambda Chi. Very proud too. I dont hate Sig Eps. I hate it when my brothers do stupid shit and get caught. I hate it when people try to get people riled up using inflamitory speach. Its simple pimple; change the title... because tomorrow I'll be asking Amy and Zeta to do so.

[LeslieAGD]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
OTW, it is not the problem of what he did, if you read my last post, but the way he did it!

There were several ways to handle it! Did he do it the right way?

That is the discussion as far as I am concernd! Would I go crying to the School about something like this? No!

Do We As Greeks Need This From a member of a Headquarters Memeber, No!

Is he an unadulterated Ass? Well ???

Tom, yes, the Sig Ep rep could have handled it differently...but he didn't. However, that doesn't make it an issue of Sigma Phi Epsilon and Lambda Chi Alpha hating each other (as the title of this thread suggests).

Perhaps we might start another thread to discuss your point about the handling of discliplinary procedures.

[damasa]

Originally posted by justme


Oh, and why would Hoosier change the title..? Hoosier’s sole purpose on GC is the see how much trouble he/she can stir up. Do a search for other posts by Hoosier - you will see that it is VERY rare for Hoosier to actually post an opinion to anything - he/she must have either a lot of free time or just gets paid to read just about every online newspaper out there - the bad PR articles get posted to GC - and then Hoosier is GONE... I'm sure Hoosier is lurking in the shadows just to see the aftermath and damage that is done.

Part of being Greek is handling the bad PR that gets out there about our organizations, unfortunately, we, as Greeks are the ones doing what's being reported. I don't actually mind when someone posts an article about Greeks on GC - I think as a community it is beneficial for us to know what is being said about us...

I am, however, growing tired of Hoosier's intentional "FIRE STARTING"

Grow up HOOSIER..... don't you have any original ideas in that head of yours? Or is your intellectual ability limited to the copy and paste function of your computer?

Regarding the article... I can't believe the number of people supporting LXA in this. I also can't believe the number of people that are taking a LOCAL incident and turning it into a NATIONAL perception. I know plenty of LXA's and SPE's that not only get along but are great friends. I know a SPE chapter that co-sponsored one of their recruitment events with LXA because LXA was having trouble recruiting members. SPE held their 1st event with LXA to help get guys to check out LXA... you know what?.... LXA had a large, quality, new member class that year BECAUSE, in part, of the efforts of SPE. Now both chapters are very strong and both chapters would do ANY for each other.

Don't knock Hoosier simply because the person decides to post on things relating to hazing/risk management. This is, after all a greek forum that pertains to ALL greek happenings.

Why should hoosier not post in such a manner? And what, not do the others on this board the justice to realize the mistake that other organizations have made? IMO, Hoosier posts this way to help inform people and help them learn and allow them to realize what they should and should not do.

Hoosier catches a lot of flak for posting, flak maybe because he doesn't sugarcoat greeklife? It's not perfect, we all know that, but learning from other another chapters mistakes can be priceless.

And, if you do happen to search Hoosier's threads/posts there have been instances where hoosier has posted an opinion on an issue.