Permanent closing due to hazing...

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by James
Uhm underage drinking?

Under drinking and no injuries = good time.

Under age drinking and an injury = hazing


If people are going to obsess about underage drinking . . . I suggest they get their fraternities to only accept 21 year old or older members.

Sorry friend,

A little too simplistic, I think.

Underage drinking = breaking the law.

or

Underage drinking + breaking your GLO's rules.

Obsession isn't the issue here, as I see it.

[madmax]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Sorry friend,

A little too simplistic, I think.

Underage drinking = breaking the law.

or

Underage drinking + breaking your GLO's rules.

Obsession isn't the issue here, as I see it.

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Carnation and JAM,

When I was in high school (fake ID? ME?), there was a bar at Ohio State called "The Library."

Guess how many of us used "going to The Library" several nights a week?

Didn't even have to mention Shakespear.


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Obsession isn't the issue, hypocrisy is the issue..

DA . Was it ok to break the law when you used to break the law?

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by madmax
Obsession isn't the issue, hypocrisy is the issue..

DA . Was it ok to break the law when you used to break the law?

No, it wasn't OK.

Never said it was. Never implied it.

Dig a little deeper into my past posts and you will discover that I admit to doing a number of things that I have labled as not so bright. Things that could have led to disaster.

Hyprocracy? Call it that if you care to. Remember that over thirty-five years have passed in the interim. The social and political climates have changed. Life's experiences during that time have allowed me to understand some errors I've made. Being a Division Vice President and Chapter Advisor have put me much more in contact with all of the things we now call Risk Management. Things like the law, national organization rules, litigation, rising insurance rates, etc. -- whether they are fair and whether you and/or I agree with them.

I've never claimed to be particularly intelligent, but I'm a whole lot smarter than I was back then. It's hard not to learn through the hard knocks of life.

And, if you go back and check some of my other posts, you will find that I am strongly in favor of lowering the drinking, at least for beer, to 18 -- the way it was when I was in college in Ohio. Of course, if that happened, 18 to 21 year olds would spend their time figuring out how to buy hard liquor and wine. Just like I did at that age.

So, it wasn't any more OK to break the law then -- I just didn't want to face that fact. Now, I have to.

[Little E]

Greek Communities have huge issues of hazing. Someone somewhere along the way took a great way to show unity, ie singing, and had pledges do it naked or something and everyone lost the abilitity to do some stuff.
We just had a house turned in for the most depravied and morrally reprehensible scavenger hunt i've ever seen. Our community is hesitant to respond and condem them. We condone through our silence, we know eachothers traditions, maybe we need to work within the commuity to stop the drinking, sex, and physical abuse that comes with lots of hazing. Peer pressure from other houses might be a method, speakers, education?

I guess, we aim for high ideals, perhaps even an idealistic view of comminity, life and committment, why not challenge eachother to do the same?

blah! I hate hazers, worthless, and there is no excuse, sorry if this is slightly incoherent, last night hasn't totally worn off. ''