Gay's Pledging - Page 2

Sexy Mocha · #1 08-31-2000, 11:24 AM

DC1, I took a look at the Lambda10 website.
It made me think... even though I may not agree with someone's lifestyle it doesn't mean I have the right to judge him/her. Thanks for the insight! (As you can see I deleted my previous post)

BrandNubian · #2 08-31-2000, 11:53 AM

Sexy Mocha,

Yes I see that you deleted your previous post. I read it last night and I was offended by it. But all I will say is this: it is not our job to "condone" anyone's character, Self, or sexual orientation. The word "condone" indicates in itself a relationship of superior/inferior. Only the Creator has the authority and power to "condone" anything. Do I believe that homosexuality is an offense in the eyes of the Creator? (Well I can never say for sure, being as I am not the Creator) But my answer to that question is a big resounding "No!" I know some won't agree with me, and that's fine. (How many times has the homosexuality and religion discussion been had?) This is just my two cents.

Oh and by the way, why the continuous reference to homosexuality as a "lifestyle"? Is being heterosexual a "lifestyle" too???

Just something to think about....

Peace, Love and Progression
B.N.

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BrandNubian · #3 08-31-2000, 11:54 AM

Sexy Mocha,

One more thing. I am not attacking you or your beliefs. And I want to say that I am happy that you came to the conclusion not to judge others.

One love,
B.N.

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BrandNubian · #4 08-31-2000, 11:59 AM

OK..my third message of the day....

DC1...I checked out the Lambda10 website. I just wanted to say thanx for passing it along. I will do the same...

One,
B.N.

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"Queens shouldn't swing...if you know what I mean.."

Sexy Mocha · #5 09-01-2000, 12:30 AM

BrandNubian, I would say it was not my intention to offend you or anyone else...but that would be dishonest. I like being completely honest with people, and I will not treat you or anyone in this forum any different. The truth is, I just didn't take anyone's feelings into consideration when I made the comment on condoning homosexuality and for that I will apologize.

I still stand strong in my beliefs about homosexuality, but I now understand I am not the one to judge ANYONE, gay or straight.

You did bring up a rather interesting question on whether or not homosexuality/heterosexulaity is a lifestyle.
I actually helped a friend write a paper last year on that particular topic. I have a very good answer for that, but am not sure if it's offensive or not. I don't think I can express it in a way that will not sound judgemental.

I am not a closed minded person...well not too closed minded ...

which is why I deleted the previous post and thought the situation over. Just because I don't agree with something, doesn't mean I can't respect your feelings.

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Sexy Mocha · #6 09-01-2000, 12:48 AM

Ok BrandNubian, I think I can answer the question something like this...Yes, I do believe heterosexuality is a lifestyle as well.....just as being religious and going to church regularly is...just as someone who regularly abuses drugs, and practices promiscuity is a lifestyle. The latter is a lifestyle that some of us may deem ,highly inappropriate...but nevertheless, it's a lifestyle for some.
And, for the record, I am not trying to link promiscuity with homosexuality...so don't get pissed or anything, it's the only example that I could think of.

dc1 · #7 08-31-2000, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
DC1, I took a look at the Lambda10 website.
It made me think... even though I may not agree with someone's lifestyle it doesn't mean I have the right to judge him/her. Thanks for the insight! (As you can see I deleted my previous post)

I am glad that ya'll looked through the post!

I can't express how happy it made me, Sexy Mocha, to read your post! Once again, it proves that understanding, compassion and love will overcome all differences!!

Brotherly/Sisterly love is the key... I am joyouse in the hope that, one day, ALL good people, gay/lesbian/bisexual included, will be welcomed into the Greek Community! I feel that ALL greek letter organizations are wonderful establishments that can create a sense of community; a community in which welcomes diversity!!

Keep up the love, ya'll!

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I answered ever so meekly; "I seek Honor, Truth, Integrity, and Wisdom, yet those are four. How am I to choose?"
The answer came as a pounding whisper; "The four you seek are but one. I grant thee Compassion; for without it the four make none."
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1Blonde · #8 08-31-2000, 03:58 PM

Is there special sensitivity to the question at hand because Alphas are so often stereotyped as being gay? Are you brothers trying to distance yourself from those stereotypes by opposing gays in your organization as adamantly as possible?

This was the fraternity of MLK, correct? What irony.

I'm never comfortable seeing black people use the same arguments against other groups that have been used to oppress us in the past.

I'm not surprised at the reactions, though I am curious as to how so many of you Alphas are willing to pat 7BA94 on the back when he is at best small minded, at worst ugly and hateful. It says much of you as individuals, and of you as a group in this forum

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Sexy Mocha · #9 08-31-2000, 04:03 PM

Like I said, I'm not a close-minded individual. I believe, and I'm woman enough to admit it, that most prejudices stem from ignorance. I guess when you put a face and story to the issue it becomes harder to be judgemental/critical. Hey, to each his own!

Sexy Mocha · #10 08-31-2000, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1Blonde:
Is there special sensitivity to the question at hand because Alphas are so often stereotyped as being gay? Are you brothers trying to distance yourself from those stereotypes by opposing gays in your organization as adamantly as possible?

This was the fraternity of MLK, correct? What irony.

I'm never comfortable seeing black people use the same arguments against other groups that have been used to oppress us in the past.

I'm not surprised at the reactions, though I am curious as to how so many of you Alphas are willing to pat 7BA94 on the back when he is at best small minded, at worst ugly and hateful. It says much of you as individuals, and of you as a group in this forum

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Lawd have mercy.......Blonde1, I'm staying out of this one

fatto · #11 08-31-2000, 04:07 PM

Excuse my disrespect, but Professor when and where did u "pledge?" Some of your past response got me wondering!
Once again pardon my disrespect!

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BrandNubian · #12 08-31-2000, 04:23 PM

Sexy Mocha,

Thank you for respecting my feelings, as I most certainly respect yours. Peace, Love, Progression <i>and</i> Respect are the keys to uplifting our communities...

One,
B.N.

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"Queens shouldn't swing...if you know what I mean.."

BrandNubian · #13 08-31-2000, 04:25 PM

DC1,

I have to comment you. You have such a positive outlook on things, and that is always a joy.

BrandNubian

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"Queens shouldn't swing...if you know what I mean.."

BrandNubian · #14 08-31-2000, 04:26 PM

1Blonde,

Strong words, strong words. But....I have to say that you do raise good points and good issues.

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Professor · #15 08-31-2000, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1Blonde:
Is there special sensitivity to the question at hand because Alphas are so often stereotyped as being gay? Are you brothers trying to distance yourself from those stereotypes by opposing gays in your organization as adamantly as possible?

This was the fraternity of MLK, correct? What irony.

I'm never comfortable seeing black people use the same arguments against other groups that have been used to oppress us in the past.

I'm not surprised at the reactions, though I am curious as to how so many of you Alphas are willing to pat 7BA94 on the back when he is at best small minded, at worst ugly and hateful. It says much of you as individuals, and of you as a group in this forum

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