Redskins Fans (and other NFL watchers):

[poodleNtraining]

To get rid of Stephen Davis will be as big a mistake as when they got rid of Brian Mitchell. Brian went to the Eagles and made a KILLING on the field, so then the Skins felt stupid. They need to keep Davis and Ramsey. I mean, Rmsey is fresh, you can't expect him to come fresh outta college and be Joe Montana. Same with Spurrier. People were thinking that since he was the high and mighty college coaching king, he'd come pro and kill everybody, but the truth is, he not only has to get used to a new team, he has to get used to a whole new game because this is NOT college ball. They need a hot minute to get it together. Growth doesn't happen overnight. And the whole team needs to step up and be on their p's and q's to make it happen. No matter what, I'm a SKIN for life!!

[Thrillhouse]

The redskins have been the eagles farm team it seems lately. But they would not get Stephen Davis. They have Staley, westbrook, and Buckhalter once he comes back next year from injury.

Still, James Thrash, ND Kalu, Brian Mitchell, the list goes on.

Zetaace, Smith will want to break Reggie Whites sack record before he retires, but he is only six away so I see him sticking around for one more year.

[KSigkid]

I think we've gotta remember the difference between a good college quarterback and a good pro quarterback.

I don't think Dorsey has much of a shot in the NFL - I just don't see the arm strength there, his throwing motion is kinda off-kilter too.

Wallace and Banks: good college quarterbacks, but probably not that great in the pros. I see Carson Palmer and Byron Leftwich as the best two prospects...Rex Grossman could be good, but he could also be Danny Wuerfell.

I agree with Arya...maybe the Skins should just bring back Doug Williams...

Collin

[Imthechamp]

I hope you're not serious about Williams. He played ONE good game in his career and that happened to be at the Superbowl.

P.S. Rex Grossman will SUCK at the NFL level. In fact...he SUCKS now.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by ZetaAce
4. GET SPURRIER'S HEAD OUT OF HIS A$$. This is the NFL not the SEC, thanks. Their offense is never going to get in a rhythm if they keep changing QBs and don't run the ball with some efficiency (see number 2).

Man, I hate to break it to y'all, but Ballcoach ain't a moron . . .

Why change QBs all over the place? OPEN TRYOUT for next season; also he gets to see how Ramsey performs on the bench, if he practices hard when he's not playing, all that kind of stuff.

EVEN BETTER! He mails it in, gets better draft position, so he can grab a Brad Banks or etc in the 2nd or 3rd round.

mrblond - there really is no way to trade for Plummer (or Bulger) - they're in the last year under contract, and no trades after the 6th week in the NFL - they'd have to sign as a free agent (although the price won't be ridiculous for either).

ktsnake - I highly doubt Seneca Wallace's future as an NFL quarterback - size, plus heart, do him in. He completely mailed it in at the end of the season, not pretty.

Now, as far as trading Stephen Davis (or Patty Ramsey) - Spurrier's not a terrible judge of talent, and he has pretty good people around him (just not in the front office). If he feels someone like Ladell Betts, who catches well out of the backfield but doesn't hit the hole as hard as Davis, can perform better in his offense (which is a lot of single-back sets, misdirection, spreading the field, setting up one-on-one matchups) . . . maybe he's right. If he feels like Ramsey can't cut it, let's get someone else.

I think the best option is playing Ramsey for now, and keeping your options open for 2003. For instance:

-their O-line is brutal. Just awful. I'd be using high-round choices on sure-thing offensive linemen (Steinback at guard, Al Johnson at center, etc - many good linemen coming out).

-if they can turn a trade of Stephen Davis into a draft pick who will contribute, a la Clinton Portis this season, do it. You can always pick up a Banks, etc in the 2nd round, so a Ramsey trade doesn't seem out of the question. Remember, Spurrier didn't draft Ramsey . . .

-drafting Ken Dorsey is suicide - might as well trade for John Kitna

-no need to acquire someone old and shitty, like Testaverde or similar - you can pick up free talent as long as the system is sound (look at Bulger this season).

-Don't sell the farm for a high draft choice - paging KiJana Carter, Rashaan Salaam, etc

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by KSigkid
I don't think Dorsey has much of a shot in the NFL - I just don't see the arm strength there, his throwing motion is kinda off-kilter too.

He couldn't hit second base from the track . . .

Originally posted by KSigkid
Wallace and Banks: good college quarterbacks, but probably not that great in the pros. I see Carson Palmer and Byron Leftwich as the best two prospects...Rex Grossman could be good, but he could also be Danny Wuerfell.

Perfect analogy for all three - i see Banks and Wallace as trying to stay on in a sort of 'slash' (or Randle El) role . . . whether that'll be successful, who knows? I wouldn't want to roll the dice on any of them, not with an early draft pick.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by Imthechamp
I hope you're not serious about Williams. He played ONE good game in his career and that happened to be at the Superbowl.

P.S. Rex Grossman will SUCK at the NFL level. In fact...he SUCKS now.

I agree with you about Grossman.

Williams played most of his career in the USFL though, and before he defected from the NFL, he was Tampa Bay's quarterback for their first playoff appearance in the early 80's. Granted, not the makings of a great quarterback, but better than most give him credit for; if anyone was a fluke in the Super Bowl, it was Timmy Smith (over 200 yards rushing, horrible career otherwise)

Collin