Phi Delta Theta & Kappa Sigma Withdrawl from NIC (Official Phi Delt Statement) - Page 2

sigtau305 · #1 12-10-2002, 08:14 PM

wow. pretty heavy stuff.

KSigkid · #2 12-10-2002, 08:24 PM

I just got an email about this today.

This has been talked about as a possibility for a while now. Having talked to a few of the alumni volunteers about this, it makes a lot of sense.

Collin

agger_rob · #3 12-10-2002, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Opie25
4. Is Phi Delta Theta the only organization that is dissatisfied with the NIC?
No. Kappa Sigma has also withdrawn its membership in the NIC. In addition, throughout 2002 over 10 other groups were engaged in discussions with Phi Delta Theta about leaving the NIC and we know of several that continue to consider withdrawing their membership.

Does anyone know what these 10 groups were or where we could find out who they are?

Mystical_Vision · #4 12-10-2002, 10:16 PM

I wish you guys the best of luck. I think one of the biggest impacts this may have on the campus level is the liability issue.

Greek Affairs usually freaks out when an organization comes to campus that can't neatly be placed into one of their umbrella groups (i.e. NIC, NPHC. Our organization has faced this problem a lot since we were founded). They like for the greeks to be liable to someone outside of the national org. I hope you hear more soon.

M.V.

Tom Earp · #5 12-10-2002, 10:21 PM

This is a very Bold move by two very outstanding Fraternitys.

It seems that the NIC like all Organizions have become so Politically Correct that the Full Picture is missed!

There seems to be little or no fighting for Greeks on many campuses and we in toto get the boot!

There is no aiding Organizations on individual campuses. Just a dont rock the boat mentality!

If they are going to work for OUR benefit, maybe it is time for a change in attitude or governing structure.

I am waiting to see what develops from this.

Firehouse · #6 12-11-2002, 01:17 AM

Scanning the messages, it appears that fraternity and sorority members may be seeing this issue from opposite points of view. For men, closing a campus to expansion, and 'deferred recruitment" NEVER strengthen a fraternity system, but always serve to weaken it. The fraternity system thrives on competition and continual rushing. The women's system, while very successful, is different.
I'm pleaed that the Phi delts have taken this step, and I hope that others will follow. Fraternities must have a single, strong voice to represent them on these critical issues. SAE and Pi Kappa Alpha both left NIC at one time. Perhaps they will leave once again.

SATX*APhi · #7 12-11-2002, 03:04 AM

crystalline · #8 12-11-2002, 06:32 AM

At least they made the decision that was right for them.

MysticCat · #9 12-11-2002, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Firehouse (in part)
SAE and Pi Kappa Alpha both left NIC at one time. Perhaps they will leave once again.

I mentioned in a post above that, at least according to Baird's, numerous fraternities have not belonged to or left the NIC at one time or another. For a little historical reference, I checked the 19th edition (1977) of Baird's last night. It divides general/social fraternities into 3 groups, "NIC Member Fraternities," "NPHC Member Fraternities," and "Other Men's National Fraternities." The following fraternities were listed under "Other Men's National Fraternities":

Delta Phi Kappa (this one isn't listed in GreekPages anymore; don't know if it died or merged with another fraternity.)
Delta Sigma Phi (a current NIC member)
Delta Upsilon (a founding and current NIC member)
FarmHouse (a current NIC member)
Phi Kappa Theta (a current NIC member)
Pi Kappa Alpha (a current NIC member)
Sigma Alpha Epsilon (a founding and current NIC member)
Sigma Beta Kappa (this one also isn't listed in GreekPages anymore; don't know if it died or merged with another fraternity.)
Sigma Gamma Chi (a small national found all or mostly in Utah)
Sigma Nu (a founding and current NIC member)
Sigma Phi Epsilon (a founding and current NIC member)
Tau Delta Phi (a current NIC member)
Tau Epsilon Phi (a current NIC member)
Theta Delta Chi (a founding and current NIC member)
Theta Tau (now a member of the Professional Fraternity Association)
Zeta Beta Tau (a current NIC member)

For what it's worth.

MysticCat · #10 12-11-2002, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by James
I know Kappa Sigma is joining the Fraternity Leadership Association (FLA).

James, what do you know about the FLA?

NavaneUK · #11 12-11-2002, 10:43 AM

"Wow" is right!

I'm glad to see that Phi Delta Theta at least tried very hard to make a difference before withdrawing. I can't fault a group that truly tried it's best before "throwing in the towel."

.....Kelly

madmax · #12 12-11-2002, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Firehouse
Scanning the messages, it appears that fraternity and sorority members may be seeing this issue from opposite points of view. For men, closing a campus to expansion, and 'deferred recruitment" NEVER strengthen a fraternity system, but always serve to weaken it. The fraternity system thrives on competition and continual rushing. The women's system, while very successful, is different.
I'm pleaed that the Phi delts have taken this step, and I hope that others will follow. Fraternities must have a single, strong voice to represent them on these critical issues. SAE and Pi Kappa Alpha both left NIC at one time. Perhaps they will leave once again.

Wrong. A campus with 3000 students can not support as many fraternities as a campus with 60,000 students.

Try putting 60 fraternities on a campus with only 3000 students and you will end up with no fraternities.

#13 12-11-2002, 08:12 PM

Wow, big news.

I'm interested to see what Sigma Nu does.

it's been mentioned on here that NIC membership has seemed to be fluid over the years....are Phi Delt and KS doing this to prove a point, hopefully to return to NIC in the future?

Either way, i applaud the nationals of these two organizations for standing up for their convictions in such a drastic manner. I do agree that more of their concerns should be helping chapters that are struggling or are at Greek hostile schools.

Kitso
KS 361

Optimist Prime · #14 12-11-2002, 08:46 PM

What does NIC do anyway? I thought they were just a collective bargaining thing for insurance.

Kevin · #15 12-11-2002, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Optimist Prime
What does NIC do anyway? I thought they were just a collective bargaining thing for insurance.

Oh then fire them sons of bitches..

Hell of a lot of good their 'collective bargaining' has done us!

Actually I doubt that since we tend to use different insurance companies from fraternity to fraternity. The rates are also widely different.