BCS rankings just don't make sense - Page 2

DeltaSigStan · #16 11-27-2002, 02:24 AM

true, but that was back when a) people at SDSU cared b) we were good

Thrillhouse · #17 11-27-2002, 10:17 AM

I have no complaints about the system this year. The two unbeaten big conference teams are #1 and #2. Wins do matter. Otherwise Nebraska would somehow find their way into the title game again even with 4 or 5 loses. Oklahoma is probably the best team in the nation right now yet they stumbled once.

Thats why I don't like a playoff idea. The regular season would be fairly useless if 2 and 3 loss teams got in as well as the unbeatens and a team like Oklahoma or Georgia.

Sorry amycat, but losses hurt, no matter how early in the season they are. Many teams besides USC can make the claim that they have been playing well since an early season mistake or two.

KSig RC · #18 11-27-2002, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
I think in a Playoff you'd get a *REAL* champion, someone who was consistant AND talented. Not some BS like Ohio State where they squeak out wins against teams that are only highly ranked because they're in the Big 10.

I'll Guarantee you they'd have at least 2 losses in the Big 12.

What? I think you've got your home-team blinders on pal . . . OSU beat PSU, Michigan, Washington State . . . I believe that's as many top-15 teams as OU plays in the Big XII, no?

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Just look at what Big 12 punching-bag Iowa State did to Iowa at the beginning of the season? Remember when they finished their non conference games they were ranked #9 in the nation. They go through the Big 12... Where are they now?

49-3 against the Sooners...

Iowa got worked in the 2nd half by a crazy performance by one guy, which is fine . . . PS - 30-26? And that's to an A&M team who MIGHT go .500 in conference play . . .

Look, you beat the teams you're supposed to beat. OSU did that, they're better than say Oklahoma in the polls. It makes sense - now, you can flip-flop the next few positions, and I might give you Iowa over OU in the coach's poll doesn't make a ton of sense to me (and I'm an Iowa fan) - but all that's for naught in the BCS.

Don't give me "the Big XII is SOOOOO hard!!!!1" whining to cover a loss to A&M. Bottom line is, OU wins that game, they're in the national championship.

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Originally posted by ktsnake
The cream always rises to the top. I agree if Oklahoma wins out the rest of their season they *should* be playing for the championship...

Read the above . . . this makes no sense.

Reward the teams who DON'T LOSE to shitty teams.

If you're going to just 'excuse' one loss, there are a couple other teams who'll stake a claim to OU's spot in the Fiesta - and if Miami loses, I say put Oklahoma there. But not if there's two undefeated teams.

ladybug1116 · #19 11-27-2002, 11:34 AM

I'm an avid FSU fan and alum and even *I* don't think they deserve to be going to a BCS bowl. (with 4 losses) However they did go 7-1 in the ACC (but come on...it's the ACC)

I am also pulling for Miami to lose this weekend. I don't know if I could possible dislike another team more. Go Orangemen!

Kevin · #20 11-27-2002, 12:29 PM

The fact is with the BCS teams in weaker conferences will have a better chance of making it to bowls... Hell ND or FSU wins 9 and they get an automatic BCS bid? Is that fair?

Put them all in a playoff and see how it works out.

Oh and A&M is a VERY underrated team. They've lost a lot of close games and had some breakdowns this year. They've got a lot of talent and are a very dangerous team at home.

If you've ever seen Kyle Field you'd know what I mean.

amycat412 · #21 11-27-2002, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by IowaHawkeye
Personally - I agree that the BCS rankings are a bunch of BS. But Iowa only has 1 loss and USC has 2 - so personally, I believe Iowa should be ranked above USC. We beat 2 top 15 teams (UM/PSU) on the road and have had a great season with a possible heisman winner (banks).

I agree with that statement on the surface, but... it also goes back to my strength of schedule argument...

Iowa is playing the 40th toughest sched and has 1 loss
USC is playing the TOUGHEST sched and has 2 losses

Give Iowa (or Gerogia, Miami, Ohio St, Okla for that matter) a tougher sched or USC an easier sched and THEN the playing and ranking fields are a bit more fair.

Yeah, I'm a RABID SC fan, and so my take is biased. But USC in top 10 or not, its just not a fair system.

IowaHawkeye · #22 11-28-2002, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by amycat412

I agree with that statement on the surface, but... it also goes back to my strength of schedule argument...

Iowa is playing the 40th toughest sched and has 1 loss
USC is playing the TOUGHEST sched and has 2 losses

Give Iowa (or Gerogia, Miami, Ohio St, Okla for that matter) a tougher sched or USC an easier sched and THEN the playing and ranking fields are a bit more fair.

Yeah, I'm a RABID SC fan, and so my take is biased. But USC in top 10 or not, its just not a fair system.

As much as it kills me to say it - GOOD TEAMS FIND A WAY TO WIN. I'm not an Ohio State fan at all - but even when they struggled to win games (and they did struggle against Purdue, Illinois and Michigan) they did win them and are 13-0. Same with Miami, they struggled with Rutgers and Pitt, but they are undefeated. A good team with a solid defense, a working offense, and a good coach - can pull out those wins. And that is why they are #1 and #2...

USC is a great team, you won't get any arguments from me about that, but lets take a look at those losses:

WA State 30-27 in OT
Kansas State 27-20

Both of them could have been won by either team. A good team finds a way to win every game. If USC had won both of those games, no doubt they would be sitting pretty at #1 in the BCS.

DigitalAngel126 · #23 11-28-2002, 05:50 AM

i must admit, miami isnt as strong as they have been in the past (and they WERE pretty good last year, bcs or not)...and this year has been weak....theyve been lucky and somehow navent gotten killed yet.. but the time will come...hopefully not, but i know its inevitable... id love to see them in another bowl game this year but they woudlnt deserve it.. *sigh*...oh well.. nonetheless, i love my 'canes...go miami!

Thrillhouse · #24 11-28-2002, 02:09 PM

Miami will still beat any team in the country this year anyways.

DigitalAngel126 · #25 11-29-2002, 01:53 AM

That's because they're my team

Thrillhouse · #26 11-29-2002, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by DigitalAngel126
That's because they're my team

Is that why they are #1 than?

PM_Mama00 · #27 11-29-2002, 11:19 AM

This guy in my class did a presentation on the BCS and how they shoudl choose the winner based on wins during the season or something like that. Made no sense to me even after he explained it.

amycat412 · #28 12-02-2002, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by IowaHawkeye

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WA State 30-27 in OT
Kansas State 27-20

Both of them could have been won by either team. A good team finds a way to win every game. If USC had won both of those games, no doubt they would be sitting pretty at #1 in the BCS.

I absolutely agree with you. It KILLS me that we lost, and by so narrow a margin in those two games early in our season. Why couldn't we have gelled as a team earlier? its a woulda-coulda-shoulda scenario for USC. But I'm sure you can understand how frustrating it feels for Trojan fans to know we could have done it and we didn't.

Ah, but I have no complaints today. We're #4, which is more than fair. We'll (most likely)play a team in a bowl that will give us a good game--whether that's Iowa or Georgia.

IowaHawkeye · #29 12-02-2002, 08:32 PM

Oh believe me I know.. if we hadn't lost to crappy ISU we would be guaranteed the Rose Bowl (big 10 tiebreakers 1,2 would no apply and the team that han't been there the longest would go - IOWA) with a shot at the NC.

amycat412 · #30 12-02-2002, 08:46 PM

I truly believe Iowa will get the Rose Bowl bid. So hang in there, and let's root for losses from Miami, Georgia, and, especially, Washington State this coming weekend.

ha ha