Hazing is wrong......That's why WE don't do it!!!!! - Page 2

carnation · #16 11-28-2002, 12:04 AM

Alabama Gamma of Pi Beta Phi does not haze! I doubt that any of the Auburn sororities do!

docetboy · #17 11-28-2002, 12:05 AM

Hazing creates fake brothers.

Take a selection:
Brothers who were forced to come together because of doing jumping jacks on glass at 3 in the morning during finals week,

or

Brothers who came together over the entire semester building a habitat for humanity house, starting from beginning to finish?

Pledging assures the house can stay strong. You do not see the true side of a person over a 1 week rush period. However, a 1 semester pledge period allows you to really get to know someone before coming a brother, and allows you to see if he will be dedicated to the house by showing up other than formal dinner/meeting and if he will pay his simple dues on time. Plus, initiation will mean that much more to you if you've been working for it.

AngelPhiSig · #18 11-28-2002, 12:45 AM

Rock on docetboy!

RACooper · #19 11-28-2002, 04:17 AM

I'm sorry but having experienced hazing to become a memebr of one organziation (military) and then not being hazed to become a member of another (LCA) I think like to think that hazing creates a perception of belonging based on fear and intimidation, nothing that I would ever wish on my biological brothers, which means I would never wish it on PNM in my org.

While I believe there are improvements to be made in our chapter's PNM program, I would personally lose it on any jackass that thought hazing builds a stronger bond of brotherhood. Why would I want a brother coerced into be a "good" brother over one who made a rational choice to want to be one?

I have absolutley no respect for any greek org. that thinks hazing creates a stronger or more legitimate bond!

James · #20 11-28-2002, 04:25 PM

A strong shared experience can create a stronger bond. You represent two extremes very well here.

However, most groups that haze don't go as far as what you are saying, and most groups that don't haze certainly don't have the level of involvement that involved in your example.

Quote:

Originally posted by docetboy
Hazing creates fake brothers.

Take a selection:
Brothers who were forced to come together because of doing jumping jacks on glass at 3 in the morning during finals week,

or

Brothers who came together over the entire semester building a habitat for humanity house, starting from beginning to finish?

Pledging assures the house can stay strong. You do not see the true side of a person over a 1 week rush period. However, a 1 semester pledge period allows you to really get to know someone before coming a brother, and allows you to see if he will be dedicated to the house by showing up other than formal dinner/meeting and if he will pay his simple dues on time. Plus, initiation will mean that much more to you if you've been working for it.

phisigduchesscv · #21 11-28-2002, 11:41 PM

I'm proud to say the Iota Gamma Chapter of Phi Sigma Sigma does not haze.

I'm also proud to say that Phi Sigma Sigma, as with all NPC members I believe, has a no hazing policy.

ChiOqt · #22 11-28-2002, 11:54 PM

My org's hazing free too...and for those that think hazing is good, there are other way to weed out the pledges! They will know whether or not the greek organization is for them or not

James · #23 11-29-2002, 01:11 AM

How?

Quote:

Originally posted by ChiOqt
My org's hazing free too...and for those that think hazing is good, there are other way to weed out the pledges! They will know whether or not the greek organization is for them or not

SigKapSweetie · #24 11-29-2002, 10:08 AM

Beta Tau chapter does not haze.

LXAAlum · #25 12-01-2002, 02:01 AM

Hazing is wrong......That's why WE don't do it!!!!!

Always good to hear that from a fellow Lambda Chi.

Welcome to the forums!

#26 12-01-2002, 04:44 AM

This hazing thing is a big debate lately. I Have to Agree with Docetboy that a group project like that definately helps house unity in ways hazing NEVER could. However I also have to agree with James that neither example is a real-world scenario.

By the way: IB chapter of K/\P DOES NOT HAZE! We're a young chapter and don't wanna get busted for anything. And to answer your question James, pledging can weed out the bad pledges because if they don't complete all their interviews, philanthropies, community services, and house improvements they don't cross. We have a "Phantom Pledge" in this current pledge class, and we're thinking of dropping him because he doesn't participate. Also if their grades aren't high enough, they don't cross. THAT IS HOW NORMAL PLEDGING CAN WEED OUT BAD PLEDGES. However, this works at our college because we have a 4% greek population, so if you wana join, you ARE determined to join. At schools with a bigger greek population people may join for all the wrong reasons, where hazing definately helps weed them out.

adpiucf · #27 12-12-2002, 03:38 PM

Zeta Omega chapter of Alpha Delta Pi doesn't haze! And neither does our Alpha Chi chapter of Alpha Delta Pi at UCLA! ADPi was the first sorority to institute a zero-tolerance policy for hazing.

LCA PD 306 · #28 12-12-2002, 04:49 PM

How can some of you people say hazing is good or it helps build a bond. What it does is it builds a subordinate relationship which is something i hope no one would want. Plus it gives you "brothers" a chance to feel better about yuorselves by forcing them to punch trees or walk on glass or any of that kind of stuff. Feel better about yourselves by embracing brotherhood and your new members and teaching them what your organization means!!!!!

Tom Earp · #29 12-12-2002, 09:57 PM

PD Z 306 Brother, Right On!

teke4life · #30 12-17-2002, 05:09 PM

james,
i'm not really a proponent or detractor of the pronciple of hazing itself. you are, however, a bit presumptuous in saying that non-hazing groups have a lower level of involvement. the commitment to my chapter by the undergrads has increased 10-fold since the cecession of hazing, in the mid 90's. since i've graduated, i've visited a lot of chapters that have recently evolved from pretty stern hazing to a time-intensive candidate period, and the men have benefited more than i could have ever imagined from stressing fraternal work, instead of hazing focused on creating psychological and physical stress.