Hazing is good - Page 2

XX1 · #16 02-12-2001, 12:31 PM

I'll repost this here as it seems to me it fits.

"I have just a few comments on risk management/ hazing which, of course, you are free to consume/exhume as you desire.
1. I have to believe that Most GLOs were founded originally before most of us were born. (of course I'm only 34)

2. Our founders more than likely found value in their association as friends and sought to strengthen that bond with an organization.

3. They probably put together a very meaningful and solemn ceremony for the initiation of new members.

4. They probably DID NOT include beatings or torment of the soon to be members in their programs.

5. The ceremony and "pledgeship" was probably based on a virtuous or noble precept.

And so it is very likely that if there is a Risk Management/hazing issue in your chapter, it is because somebody has not been properly educated in the history and real tradition of the organization. Tradition is NOT "what happened to me".

I have to guess that if we all truely live by our oaths, risk management issue will be a thing of the past.

Work hard, play hard, go greek or go home..."

XX1 · #17 02-12-2001, 12:34 PM

and here is the follow-up...

"It just seems to me that we have a choice.
1. We can spend our time whining about all the people who put us down.
2. We can look within at what we can do to asure that they have no reason to put us down.

Folks very rarely bash the organizations that are busy doing good for the community. They have no reason to bash the groups focus on sound principles like scholarship, leadership, fellowship and service to others.

Our GLOs were founded on these principles and we can only prosper if we uphold them.

"it's not what you say, but what you do that people really listen to..."

"

loviest95 · #18 02-12-2001, 05:10 PM

Being a member of a BGLO and I was HAZED--
What is hazing is it going and reading your big sister a bedtime story is it getting is it standing in "LINE"?

Well though it is consider such I would not change my LINE experiences for anything

USFSDTAlum · #19 02-12-2001, 07:30 PM

you know what i find funny. I find it funny that people are advertising about being hazed. let me tell you why, stating that you were hazed you are basically admitting 2 (and probably more) things
1) you would do anything to belong to a group that doesn't care about your well-being
and
2) you have no backbone to stand up for your convictions in how you feel you should be treated. in other words, go get some self confidence. if you need to belong to something that badly that you will allow yourself to get beated for it, you are a sad person and I PITY you.
Don't get me wrong, I am not talking about "hazing" where the actives 'kidnap' you and take you out to eat, or stuff like that. I am refering to real mental, physical, and pyscological abuse.

watson · #20 02-13-2001, 04:31 PM

What is hazing? In todays society making pledges do anything that actives aren't required to do is considered hazing. Its actually pretty simple, You only see the value in something when you have had to work to achieve it. If pledges simply went active they would have no respect for the house which they are members. Non-physically threatening requirements for activation, which some would consider hazing, are slowly slipping away. Brothers who slide through pledgeship can best be described as leeches, those who benefit from the fraternity without helping promote its greatness

LexiKD · #21 02-13-2001, 08:29 PM

I was never hazed so I cannot identify with Lil_G. But I always wondered if you could be initiated and try to change the chapter. You can love your organization and find out that you dislike your chapter, sometimes chapters become zealous about hazing. We have chapters on our campus that haze and try to cover it up, but eventually a New Member quits and spreads it all over campus and I always wonder why not try to change the behavior. Bad leadershp can ruin a chapter so, do you think it would be possible to change the hazing and by doing so helping the National Organization?
By the way I think any type of hazing is crazy and I don't think New Members have to earn their membership through hazing. I was never hazed and feel I deserve my membership beacuse I worked at achieving our organization's goals and standards for a new member.

loviest95 · #22 02-14-2001, 11:11 AM

What is Depledging???

gphi2k · #23 02-14-2001, 02:47 PM

I think that Billy Optimist was right. This
Gaspard, who ever he is, opens a controversial thread and then disappears. You'd think if he had such strong convictions that he decided to open a thread on the subject, he'd at least attempt to support what he's saying and rebut other peoples' posts. I've never seen that profile name in any other forum. It's just some s**t disturber who is out to cause problems. If I'm wrong Gaspard, please feel free to do me and every one else who has posted responses to your thread the pleasure of responding to your critics.
And for those of you who got pleasure out of being hazed, no child who was a victim to abuse by their parents is going to claim (at least I hope not) that it made them stronger adults and more bonded to and respectful of their parents. My sisters are my family. I see it as the same thing.

Leslie

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Gamma Phi Beta
University of Toronto
Alpha Alpha

Billy Optimist · #24 02-14-2001, 02:59 PM

doesn't Gaspard mean something in French?

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Once in every lifetime, you'll know what life is. Oh I need you, you need me, oh my darling, don't you see? The Young Ones. Darling we're The Young Ones. The Young Ones. Shouldn't be afraid! To live. To love. There's a song to be sung. 'Cause we may not be The Young Ones for very long!!!

gphi2k · #25 02-14-2001, 03:04 PM

I think you're thinking of Gaspe, which is a place in northern Quebec.
I'm going to look it up and get back to you. I studied french for 10 years (the fun of being Canadian!) and never heard the word....either way, he's a fraud.

Billy Optimist · #26 02-14-2001, 03:44 PM

Oh. Okay thanks. Maybe it just reminds me of the word b@st@rd.

gphi2k · #27 02-14-2001, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Billy Optimist:
Oh. Okay thanks. Maybe it just reminds me of the word b@st@rd.

LOL
I was going to write back that you probably had the word mistaken for b*s*ard. Perhaps he's from the gaspe. That way the name is a nice combo. I did look it up tho. No such word. At least in french anyway. Either way, we know he's not very strong in his beliefs seeing as how he hasn't made one attempt to support them. My guess, he's a columnist from somewhere who is trying to find out how rampant hazing still is.
Don't fall into the trap. Because ultimately, this guy is out there to cause trouble. Don't feed into it. And certainly refrain from admitting that you subjected yourself to abuse at the hands of your 'brothers' or 'sisters', for your sake and for ours.

Leslie

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Tom Earp · #28 02-14-2001, 06:14 PM

Do you really know the results of hazing gaspard? I was watching the 10:00 news Tues. nite in bed and the news station I watch had the opening item and went on and on about the SAE chapter at Rockhurst U. In K.C. They were kicked off of campus. I wrote a scathing E-M to the station about how all bad Greek News I Front Page and all of the good we do is not reported or relegated to the back.!!!! I was pissed!! The news editor sent me an E-M back saying they had a staff meeting and agreed with me about the length of spot. I do not condone hazing at all and one of thier pledges was placed in the hospital. I am a LXA and we have a no hazing policy and I like it that way as when I started the local 35 years ago that was my policy! What the punishment is that while not all may have been in on the hazing, they all suffer as they are off campus and the charter has been pulled. They cannot come back on campus for 3 years. Does that change your mind!! I hope so!!

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Tom Earp LX Z#1
Pittsburg State U. (Kansas)

Billy Optimist · #29 02-14-2001, 06:23 PM

I know I've heard that word before. I'll look it up. It sounds French though. At least to me. LOL, oh well.

N2 · #30 02-15-2001, 10:10 AM

I agree with Gaspard. Most of you all have NO idea what REAL Brotherhood is or can be. You cannot take complete strangers and make he best lifelong friendships in 8-10 weeks without calculated induced stress. Look at the people that have gone to war together, they have some of the strongest bonds there are in life. Someone earlier, in another thread suggested that the Brotherhood in their chapter was like a marriage. I agree, its what I am accustomed too. Brotherhood in my chapter is just like that. It's a life long bond that takes precedent too everything else you do in life. My wife married me, but she also married my Fraternity. My Fraternity Brothers are now her brother-in-laws. It was a condition of our relationship. If your brotherhood is not this deep, then you have NO idea what we are talking about. You cannot explain the ocean to someone who has never seen it.