Question to the Female APO's

[Virtuous Woman]

This whole discussion is dumb. I will NEVER be jealous over who has MY brother's affection and/or attention because at the end of the day, like it or not, he's still MY brother. Like one of my brother's said, you will be respected if you give it. This is dumb and it's not worth all the time that's going into this discussion. Let's get back to LFS and other worthwhile things.

[gamma_girl52]

Originally posted by Virtuous Woman
This whole discussion is dumb. I will NEVER be jealous over who has MY brother's affection and/or attention because at the end of the day, like it or not, he's still MY brother. Like one of my brother's said, you will be respected if you give it. This is dumb and it's not worth all the time that's going into this discussion. Let's get back to LFS and other worthwhile things.

I will have to respectfully disagree. I don't think this isn't a worthwhile discussion, if it's discussed with some intelligence. But since this really isn't my forum I'll keep it short out of respect.

I think it should be noted that this "attitude" between female brothers and my sorors are coming from both sides, simply because of what we hear from others. I don't have a problem with females in the fraternity...it's not my place to have a problem to start with. I give respect to everyone and I expect it back. I recognize that some brothers view me as their soror and a load of others don't...because they either don't choose to or don't even know what the GSS/APO relationship is about to show that kind of love. Either way it's all good. Simply put, my first priority is Gamma Sigma Sigma. It's not like we can't co-exist. We just need to stop formulating our attitudes towards each other based on heresay. That's the first thing I hear from BOTH parties..."Well I heard this or that about you." I have nothing to form a nasty attitude about. I think that's the problem when in reality it is not that big of an issue.

[#18 S.O.T. APO]

Honestly thats what I was saying...its not that I, personally don't give respect to all no matter what you are...but there are some who have experienced what I was talking about...But honestly, I hate when people use one experience as a generalization as to how it will always be. I say my advice would be treat each encounter separate from others, some people are just the way they are. So the question should've been, why does that paricular GSS soror not like me because I am an APO female, and really it may just be that some don't get along despite the association.

[sweete81]

Now this question is for Gammagirl52 and any other GGS member:

Normally when this argument comes up, you always here about GGS female and APO female interaction in regards to the whole APO males ordeal why they may see GGS as sorors but APO females as non bruhs. However, one party you never hear from is GGS males. What are their views (GGS is co-ed right) and do they receive flack from my bruhs or your sorors for pledging a sorority? Just wondering...

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[sweete81]

I meant GSS, I don't know what I was thinking, I APOlogize!!

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[gamma_girl52]

Let me try to answer that.

First off, in technical terms Gamma Sig is co-ed but no where on the same scale as APO. Out of the 60 or so chapters we have I can count on one hand those who have males in the membership, and even then it's less than 5 in that chapter. For the most part, they would react the same an APO female would in my opinion....they probably wouldn't be very comfortable with the brother/sister thing. But again, that's just a speculation that I have. This is why you don't hear anything from them...the number is very very small.

I have a question for you guys though. What are your thoughts on having Gamma Sig on your campus knowing your chapter is co-ed? I ask because I would really like to see GSS reactivate on HU's campus (the GSS chapter there was Alpha Eta). Also I think that TSU still has an RC (Reactivating Colony) of GSS operating on campus (bro_strawter can correct me if that's wrong). What do you guys think.

[bro_strawter]

You're correct. We had a meet & greet with the sorors a few weeks ago. It was off the hook!! Both male and females in our chapter are cool with the Gamma Sigs. No beefs. It's quite simple, the bruhs (men) recognize GSS as sorors, and female members of the frat as brothers. GSS and the female APO's at TSU are well aware of the fact that they have no relationship with each other other than service, being African-American, and attending TSU. It's good to see us all co-existing though.

This is the twist that a gets a few outside bruhs and sorors heated with us. We, the male members @ TSU are well aware of our relationship with GSS. We love them unconditionally they are OUR sorors...can't speak for other chapters.. However, no female (APO or GSS wise) come before the women in our chapter.....NONE!

[sweete81]

Thank you for the clarification both of you!!! In response to your question, personally I will not have a problem with your sorority being reactivated on Howard's campus because Howard needs a change of pace especially when it comes to our Greek Life!!! Honestly, I do not know anything about GSS outside of its relationship to APhiQ back in the day, but any organization whether it be Greek or not that is dedicated to service has to be an upstanding organization. The one obstacle you may encounter: as anyone familiar with Black Greek life may know, Howard is the Alpha Chapter for 3 out of 4 Black Greek Sororities and unless y'all really publicize your organization, then you may encounter membership problems. Now as far as individual interactions with members of GSS go I believe that no problems will occur as long as people respect others then there should be no problems. Now with that being said, my bruhs (female or male) should respect members of GSS and that in the past some campuses had APO/GSS ties and we cannot assume that they will come and try to replace APO female bruhs (that effort would be in vain anyways). In the same token members both undergrad and alumni members of both organizations need to respect that both organizations are co-ed and they can not enforce the whole "bruh/soror" & "APO/GSS" relationship because we are not constitutionally bound to the other. In closing, if people know their role, then there will not be any trouble. With any case, when people step outside of their role then that is when problems occur.

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Zeta Phi till the day I die

P.S. To clear up the whole APO/APHIQ issue I spoke to some alums of Zeta Phi (40 and 50 year members of Alpha Phi Omega). They said that APhiQ does not refer to modern day "Viking" or any other all male chapter. A PHI Q or A Phi O was the name given to Historically Black chapters back in the sixties to not only distinguish themselves (hence Howard being the Black Beta, so on so forth), but because they felt that the Greek letters were not APO but A PHI Q and thusly referred to the organization as such. Now during the time these chapters as well as most chapters of APO were all male. However, the correlation between all male chapters and A Phi Q is incorrect in the sense that only males can be A Phi Q. Anyone "made" or crossed at an HBCU are considered A Phi Q. I hope this sheds any light to those who are unsure of what A Phi Q is.

[Attractive#7]

Question...if person A says that a flag is white and person B sees the same flag and says the color is ivory...what color is the flag?
I think this conversation is getting very interesting...

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by Attractive#7
Question...if person A says that a flag is white and person B sees the same flag and says the color is ivory...what color is the flag?
I think this conversation is getting very interesting...

CREAM!

[#18 S.O.T. APO]

I don't see why not but honestly, I don't see what for, and that may be because I know nothing about GSS. But, I seriously think that it may be hard for another organization such as this to come back at Howard at this point. I think that the one thing that helped us bring back A Phi Que was the fact that it was truly unique...and there are some GDI's and those who affliated with other organizations that still that GSS plaque in the Punch-Out (the take out place at HU) and say that it would be a joke. I think that at HU the main thing for survival is the respect of the campus. I say try it out and see what type of response you get. But trust its not going to be easy. What you need to try to do is to try to get those on our campus who already respected by the students...I say it doesn't hurt to try.

[gamma_girl52]

I would like to see this plaque for GSS...I will have to ask one of my sorors that is currently attending Howard for Medical School if she can stop over to see it.

For me I wouldn't want to "try it out" unless I knew it was going to be successful...the comments about GSS being a joke...well I hear that a lot from people who don't know who we're about. GSS is particularly hard to establish at HBCU's, because it takes a very strong group of ladies to establish themselves there and have to be able to withstand criticism (aka "hating) from others, GDI and Greek alike. Every GSS colony goes through that though. It's because we're new and not a lot of people are familiar with GSS.

Well, we shall see. So far I haven't heard a word about GSS being revived at HU. We also had a chapter at American University as well plus an alumnae chapter once upon a time.

[Bro. Jones]

Originally posted by Attractive#7
Question...if person A says that a flag is white and person B sees the same flag and says the color is ivory...what color is the flag?
I think this conversation is getting very interesting...

...i see where you are getting with this question... good point. VERY god point.

i think bro. strawter put it best. we LOVE our sorors as sorors. i am one of the most excited ones to know that GSS has finally returned to TSU. we (males) LOVE our brothers (females) in APO. no matter what the gender is in APO, you will ALWAYS get lots of love from me.

...but never will any woman, of any organization, of any chapter, will come before the women of Psi Phi at TSU. it only seems right to love those who are closest the most... which would be our chapter women.

[Attractive#7]

OMG Bro. Jones has returned!!! (lol) Like I've been here long myself. Anyway, I'm glad you felt where I was coming from.

Originally posted by #18 S.O.T. APO
I don't see why not but honestly, I don't see what for, and that may be because I know nothing about GSS.

I feel you #18, but I don't...See when I found out GSS came back to TSU, my first thought was why??? Why join GSS when you can be in APO...but then I thought about it. They probably thought the same thing about us...why join a service frat as a woman when you can be in a sorority. The bottom line is even though we are both about service, we are two seperate organizations. They have the right to be here just like we do. Gamma Sigma Sigma wants to reactivate their chapters just like we do. And in all things we should support each other. Gamma Girl, I say good luck and go for it as far as looking to come back at Howard.

[#18 S.O.T. APO]

I see what you are saying #7,indeed that is true. Hey whoever is over the extension of GSS Colonies I say good luck. I say if GSS comes back fight for the respect, sho' nuff we had to and it was worth it wasn't it News @ Nine.