Historical sites you’ve been to or want to go to thread

[carnation]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

True, and I see what you’re saying, carnation. It just seems like with Vietnam going on, and all the really important leaders in the US at the time were being assassinated, it just appeared to be really chaotic. I wish I could have lived back then and lived that history, the music especially. It just seems like music from that time period (the late 60s into the early 70s) had noticeable overlaps? It just seems like the transition back then seemed to reflect changes in societal moods. I mean, you’d know better than I would, but it just seems like the Vietnam War was a huge factor in the late 60s. I also think losing Bobby Kennedy was a major turning point. And then the hippies and the experimental generation of the early 70s seemed to have calmed things down. The music in the early 70s compared to the late 60s just seemed like it reflected that.

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

I wasn’t around in the 60s either, but the differences I’ve notice between the chaotic mess of now vs. back then is folks started movements and not moments. A moment last a few days to a week, and then as soon as folks start losing something of value, they stop protesting and go back to their everyday lives.

Back in the 60s, folks protested and kept protesting until they saw changes. For example, I’ll use these mass school shootings. As soon as a shooting on a large scale happens, students do these short-term walkouts, but then come back to school two days later. If you’re going to protest, don’t come back to school until they do something about the damn guns. I’d even go as far as not paying property taxes to add to a movement. Yeah, you could lose your property and you might have to homeschool your kid, but if a movement like that was done on a mass scale, it couldn’t be ignored. They’d have to submit. But the downside of it, sacrifices would have to be made. You’d have to give something up. Folks won’t make sacrifices like that today. They would in the 60s, though.

See...a lot of those protests, probably most, petered out or were just for show. Friends at northern universities would get really mad because a big group of protesters would block a campus building or cause classes to be canceled because of the danger. After a few days, the cops would clear them out and arrests would be made and it would be discovered that most of the protesters weren't even students there.

A lot of times, they were for ridiculous things, like "students shouldn't have required courses" or "this campus should immediately be replanted as a forest", etc., and the media bought into it and filmed it. Some turned out to be very dangerous; my husband's cousin was caught on the Kent State campus in the middle of those shootings.

However, I would say that there wasn't any more "dedication to the cause" than there is now. Most people weren't going to sacrifice their homes or lives to a cause any more than they do now. I know what it seems like! The media have recreated the 60s and 70s as romantic times when anything was possible and huge causes were followed and youth prevailed.

In reality: it was no different from life today.

[*winter*]

There is a public housing museum in Chicago. I’d love to see that, since I’ve read tons on the history (particularly in Chicago, too).

There Are No Children Here by Alex Koltowitz
Cabrini Green in Images and Words
High Risers by Ben Austen

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

So, there was a documentary about The Rolling Stones on Netflix that I watched. It was some kind of festival. It was like the last festival of the 1960s. It took place in 1969, and some guy high on something had a knife, and some motorcycle gang killed him at the concert. Apparently, Mick Jagger didn’t know what was happening, but later saw it on a tape. They had hired the biker gang for security but didn’t know they’d end up killing someone. Does anyone here remember when that happened? Did they show it on the news?

The 60s was already chaotic, and that festival really ended the 60s, highlighting how bad and violent that decade was. My mom told me the 60s was a bad decade, but it was prosperous, unlike now.

The movie was probably "Gimme Shelter", addressing the killing at Altamont in 1969. I don't remember if it was on the news, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't. I saw the movie, but honestly? I can't remember much about it. I was never a Stones fan, and that solidified it.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by honeychile

The movie was probably "Gimme Shelter", addressing the killing at Altamont in 1969. I don't remember if it was on the news, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't. I saw the movie, but honestly? I can't remember much about it. I was never a Stones fan, and that solidified it.

I missed this one. Yes, that’s it, honeychile. It was so sad that happened at what could have been a fun event. Oh, and I love The Stones. They’re one of my favorite bands of the 60s.

[AGDee]

During my trip to Spain, I went to the Alhambra and Monasterio de San Jerónimo in Granada. I went to the San Antonio Cathedral in Frigliana. Then in Sevilla, I want to Real Alcazar and the Catedral de Sevilla. All absolutely incredible places! So beautifully architected and ornately decorated.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by AGDee

During my trip to Spain, I went to the Alhambra and Monasterio de San Jerónimo in Granada. I went to the San Antonio Cathedral in Frigliana. Then in Sevilla, I want to Real Alcazar and the Catedral de Sevilla. All absolutely incredible places! So beautifully architected and ornately decorated.

Well that sounds like amazing fun.

[madoug]

Originally Posted by carnation
My husband might agree to go with me next summer. There are a lot of Plantagenet and Stewart/Douglas sites I want to visit.

Carnation,
maybe we are distant cousins! Charles II is reportedly my 8th great grandfather
Lady Margaret Douglas is my 12th great grandmother according to familysearch. I have however researched documents myself back to my first generation ancestors. on my father's side there is James Stuart 1750 born in Cumberland Virginia; on my mother's side Rebecca Stuart born 1710 in Ireland and died 1781 Rockbridge VA.

My husband is a Douglas but I have only been able to document his father's line back to Archibald born 1643 to George. We even tried DNA to connect back through 1500's.

[TLLK]

I would love to return to Charleston, SC for a return visit. I've been there three times, but my last trip was in 1992.

[Cheerio]

If I ever return to DC, I'd visit Washington Monument. The multiple times we've been to our nation's capital, that site has always been temporarily closed for reinforcement/reconstruction or security reasons.

As far as a first visit, the National 9/11 Memorial and Museum in NYC would likely hold my interest for a few days.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

As far as a first visit, the National 9/11 Memorial and Museum in NYC would likely hold my interest for a few days.

I found it difficult to be there for very long. Really difficult.