Woman denounces the practice of "Hogging" at fraternities

[navane]

"Hogging" Is A Horrifying Sex Competition That Some Fraternities Engage In, And People Are Finally Talking About It

Mon, November 15, 2021, 2:18 PM

I've always disliked fraternities, for obvious reasons. But now, I am genuinely terrified of them after learning about a practice called "hogging."

Evidently, the practice is not anything new, and the term has been in Urban Dictionary for nearly two decades. According to the website, 'hogging' is basically when groups of men compete to have sex with the "fattest" woman at a bar or party.

Article continues here: https://news.yahoo.com/people-tiktok...ycsrp_catchall

[carnation]

I heard about this 50 years ago but it also included parties at dormitories. No idea if it was true.


ETA: back then, they were called Pig in a Poke parties. Would the men in my coed dorm that had numerous social activities have done that? Likely.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by carnation

I heard about this 50 years ago but it also included parties at dormitories. No idea if it was true.


ETA: back then, they were called Pig in a Poke parties. Would the men in my coed dorm that had numerous social activities have done that? Likely.

Well now it includes parties at fraternities... and has for some time. Yes, this happens in some chapters of our organizations.

Why can't we all look at ourselves and realize that we can be part of the problem? But we can also be part of the solution. Let's stop pointing fingers and recognize that we have the organizational power to influence our members and help them make better choices that don't humiliate and degrade others?

[carnation]

Since I doubt that my org has ever had a Pig in a Poke party, I step back from any collective guilt here and leave that to any organization that may have participated.

[33girl]

This “article” looks more like a PR piece for this Tik Tok person than evidence of a widespread issue. They mentioned one chapter of one fraternity. No, this is nothing new. On the other side of the coin…there was a WKRP episode where Mr Carlson found out that his wife asked him to her sorority pledge party because he was on the “dip list.” I’m sure that also happened and still happens in real life.

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Well now it includes parties at fraternities... and has for some time. Yes, this happens in some chapters of our organizations.

Why can't we all look at ourselves and realize that we can be part of the problem? But we can also be part of the solution. Let's stop pointing fingers and recognize that we have the organizational power to influence our members and help them make better choices that don't humiliate and degrade others?

But that’s not what this article is. This is yet another tired Greeks Are Bad piece because those get the clicks.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by carnation

I heard about this 50 years ago but it also included parties at dormitories. No idea if it was true.
ETA: back then, they were called Pig in a Poke parties. Would the men in my coed dorm that had numerous social activities have done that? Likely.

Originally Posted by 33girl

This “article” looks more like a PR piece for this Tik Tok person than evidence of a widespread issue. They mentioned one chapter of one fraternity. No, this is nothing new.............This is yet another tired Greeks Are Bad piece because those get the clicks.

When I was enrolled in college, I had the time one day to read a magazine article regarding how collegiate youth were mispending their days by illegally drinking, dancing provocatively, cutting their hair in abominable styles, and generally thumbing their collective noses at authority figures like Mom, Pop, and their professors.

Truth be told, the article was from 1927 and I was reading it in the 1980s. But the gist of the 1927 article's words described a general 'problem' with collegians that was not and still is not new.

Human nature is what it is. Twenty years from now, a girl being born today may discover "hogging" and find it so reprehensible as to post her discovery on Meta. Then someone still alive from within The Carnation Nation can again post that it's basically existed forever and a day.

[ASTalumna06]

You won't hear me arguing that this article is journalism at its finest, but it just feels like there's a lot of whataboutism all over this site recently and a want to deny that there are any issues within the Greek system.

[NinjaPoodle]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

.....Why can't we all look at ourselves and realize that we can be part of the problem? But we can also be part of the solution. Let's stop pointing fingers and recognize that we have the organizational power to influence our members and help them make better choices that don't humiliate and degrade others?

100%

[AZTheta]

I'm with ASTalumna06 on this "issue". I agree with the assessment that there's been a plethora of "whataboutism" responses with a dearth of solutions offered. Attacking the messenger isn't helpful. Neither is saying "other students do it." It's OUR ox being gored, people. Deal with it.

If you wish to see other news in the GreekChat forum, then by all means go ahead and share. I'd like to see coverage of the newest ZTA chapter establishment. That's exciting!

Frankly, IMO, there's also some rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic looming on the horizon. I've done extensive reading and researching prior to posting my reply here. I started by reviewing the "desk blotter" blurbs on the UAZ Daily Wildcat posted online. I also skimmed a few other campus newspapers across the USA because I have way too much time and I like to research. It's being reported elsewhere; it's definitely endemic, the Greek Life behavior; and it gets coverage from the media since it is so obvious and in-your-face.

So what proposal(s) do alumni have to redirect the negative press? As well as to address the behaviors? IF we truly believe that we are held to a higher standard, then let's do the hard work. I have first-hand experience in this arena, having advised a chapter that engaged in risky behavior for years. It was exhausting exposing the situations and restructuring. It took a serious toll on my mental and physical health. I no longer want to be involved on any level. I do not regret what I did in order to keep the chapter from closing, ugly as it was. However, I have no respect for some of my "sisters" including those from HQ who sat on the sidelines for years and let the chapter get into such dire straits and then attacked me. *mic drop*

[navane]

Good grief, y'all.

I posted this article, if it can even be called that, because I felt it was very poorly done. The very first line is "I've always disliked fraternities, for obvious reasons." Oh right....the reasons that are so obvious that the author didn't bother to state them.

Let me be clear - I do NOT condone the alleged behavior of "hogging". That's horrible. Period.

The article seems to describe instances where women willingly went upstairs to engage in consensual sex and later felt humiliated when they found out their partner wasn't actually interested in them. Awful? Yes. Does that rise to the level of "sexual violence" as indicated by the article? No. Is this behavior limited to fraternities? No. Have men of all walks been employing wingman behavior for eons? Yes.

This is another example of Greeks being easy targets for hit pieces just because.