Disrespected once again!!!! - Page 2

honeychile · #16 10-12-2002, 11:27 PM

Stan, whether or not you're in the "Animal House", it's obvious that you have some class! If this bothers you, then just make a lunch date with almost any GphiB sister, and find out what's going on! This could all be a silly misunderstanding, and you will have worked yourself into an ulcer over nothing!

Besides, one of the selling points of Greek Life that I use the most is the experience one gets in public relations and dealing with crisis! This is your big chance to shine!

I have faith in you!

honeychile

josh8o · #17 10-13-2002, 04:46 AM

stan, i am sorry you feel this way....but yes, sdsu is a huge popularity contest. we even feel it at phi psi. we are not a top house.....we just have a bunch of cool guys who are willing to work our way up slowly.
our house was decorated last night by gamma phi...we thought it was cool until we noticed every house was decorated. i know your house was not decorated, but it sucks to wake up in the morning to see decorations at your house...and most of the other one. i would almost wish they had not decorated our house so we could not be like the other houses....you know who they are...

DeltaSigStan · #18 10-13-2002, 01:18 PM

Josh, to me, I'd rather be one of the houses that was than the one and only house that wasn't. At least they're showing some love, some appreciation to you guys.

KappaTarzan · #19 10-13-2002, 03:23 PM

well josh, my sorority has a very open policy.. we have relations with everyone unless they do som ething drastic to us or another org... so come up to massachusetts and chill with KDPhi

seriously though, i agree. talk to the president. see whats up. try to fix relations. things are always changing nad this may be a change on its way for you and your fraternity.

DZetaBiotch · #20 10-13-2002, 03:59 PM

I'm a little confused. Are houses required to go to every other house on campus during serenades? Maybe it's because I go to a school with a huge Greek system, but if we were expected to serenade every fraternity on campus I would drop dead of exhaustion!

One thing I can suggest to you is to have an awesome serenade! One house on campus was in a similar situation- they didn't really have trouble getting exchanges (that's hard to do on our campus, having so many houses around and all) but some houses that they wanted were a little uncertain about exchanging with them. Last year they had terrific serenades and gave all the houses crazy gifts- once all the houses saw how much effort was spent, I guess they all realized how much fun the guys were and how much they wanted the sorority! The house considerably improved their reputation and social calendar for the next semester. I'm not saying that you should spend a lot of money on serenades and such, but if you get your house together and spend some time on that I guarantee the girls will be impressed.

33girl · #21 10-13-2002, 07:37 PM

If a sorority is doing ANYTHING, be it chalking, back to school notes, serenades or whatever for every fraternity, leaving out one is rude, classless and disrespectful. It does not matter what the fraternity's "rep" is or how many members they have. And if the sorority's HQ in any way encourages this sort of behavior under the guise of "risk management"...well, I won't even go into how bogus that is.

Funny how word gets around the GDI's though...they do notice when Greeks engage in this sort of snobbish behavior. It can backfire.

sororitygirl2 · #22 10-13-2002, 08:08 PM

Stan,

Are you guys super-visible on campus? I am guessing probably not since you say most members don't care. But, if you can get some to care, I think it would help. Maye start with your new member class because they probably haven't adopted the attitudes the rest of your guys have.

Wear your letters all the time. Go serenade all the sororities. Send them little notes or gifts. Do a party with a sorority that is smaller and then put a thank you in the paper. Have a huge philanthropy and go to every house to personally invite them.

If you get your name out there, the girls won't be able to ignore you for very long.

DeltaSigStan · #23 10-13-2002, 08:13 PM

I've kinda just changed my mind now. If none of the sororities want to give us the time of day, why should I give THEM the time of day? I'm not going to get upset anymore, because I know that if we ever get up to 50 bros, they're gonna want to hang out with us then. So if so, why would I want to associate with people like that?

So, Delta Sig SDSU is going to have the same parties, and have the same beautiful women that come as they always do. If all the other greeks want to ignore us, then fine, we're just gonna keep to ourselves and have the fun we've always had.

BTW, I just found out that the rest of IFC talks trash either about us or to us at IFC meetings.

"Delta Sig finally threw a party for 45 minutes"
"Delta Sig cares more about being drunk than getting pledges"
"We knew Delta SIg would only get 5 pledges"

Well, I'm not going to get upset anymore. I'm just gonna go with the flow and have all the fun I can in the Animal House of SDSU.

CutiePie2000 · #24 10-13-2002, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
I've kinda just changed my mind now. If none of the sororities want to give us the time of day, why should I give THEM the time of day?

Because that is what communication between adults of the opposite sex is all about. There will be miscommunication, there will be misunderstanding. You can adopt a posture of immaturity such as "if you don't like it, FINE!"...(which does nothing to open lines of communication between groups)..
Or, you can be an adult gentleman, and try to be proactive, open the lines of communication and try to find out what is going on.
Maybe things will not improve...but maybe things will. I think it is worthwhile to try it, don't you think?

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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
Well then I'm stuck, because the overwhelming feeling is to be the Animal House. That's the way they want it. They feel that it's what seperates us from the other houses, that it gives us identity, even though that means lower numbers and fewer sorority relations.

But I do want to know: Why would a house that just wants to have fun turn you off?

Hi Stan,
Here is the way that I see it...please don't be angry for me being honest. When fraternities are "fun", this covers the whole spectrum of what is construed to be "fun" and is open to interpretation by both sexes.

I can tell you that from a woman's point of view, when I hear about groups that are "The Animal House"...I don't know, it signals to me that this group is TROUBLE; it conjures up in my mind guys who drink drink drink, but I mean all the time...drink drink drink, that's all they do. It also brings to my mind, a kind of date-rapist sort of image, you know what I mean?
At its worst, it brings to *my* mind, a group that is filled with belching, beer-drinking, date-raping boors.
To me, an Animal House means a place where women will not feel safe.

If you want to hang out with the women, the women have to feel safe, and that the men will respect them. I don't think women want to hang out with guys who are trying to out-belch each other.

I am not saying that you guys are like this, but you have to remember that for people, "Perception is Reality". If your group is perceived to be boozy, date-rapisty kind of guys, then women will avoid you, end of story.

I would really advise that if you want to improve relations with the Gamma Phi's, start with their Chapter President. Take her to lunch, etc. I would also recommend sending over some flowers (FYI: the Gamma Phi flower is the pink carnation) and invite them to some sort of a function, like bowling or something. Also, if you can find out what happened, it may help. Bear in mind, you may never find out the answer or get a clear picture of how the misunderstanding or what social wrong-doing happened.

Better yet, dress up in suits, bring the flowers, sing them some songs...you might be thinking "that's so lame", but women love that kind of stuff, trust me!

I hope that this helps..you sound like a guy who wants to do great things for your chapter. GOOD LUCK!

DeltaSigStan · #25 10-13-2002, 08:33 PM

I FEEL LIKE A TOTAL MORON RIGHT NOW

A couple of my new members just showed up to the courtyard. In their hands was a sign that read:

"Gamma Phi Beta Digs Delta Sig"

Apparently someone had ripped it off the front of our house and hid it behind one of the columns. Since we're not allowed in the house (it's not done yet), none of us could see unless they actually went searching for it.

So, that someone hid it aside, I feel like a total jerk right now for getting upset. I apologize to all of you for going off without, I guess, not knowing the whole story.

However, I do want to rebuttal cutiepie2000's post just a little. I agree that the term Animal House will turn people off in a way, but it's really ironic, because most of the girls that do come to our parties say the following:

"I love Delta Sig because you guys aren't dicks like most of the other houses. You don't have lists, or invites, you let anyone you think is cool in and you just have a good time. Plus, at other parties we don't feel safe, but we feel safe here."

I honestly don't know why it's like that, but most of my friends that are girls that frequent the Delta House feel this way.

CutiePie2000 · #26 10-13-2002, 08:39 PM

Glad to hear that it all worked out.

I think the moral of the story is:

Don't assume anything. If something is bothering you, try to find out first (i.e. C-O-M-M-U-N-I-C-A-T-I-O-N!!), rather than assuming that one GLO has something personal against you.

Glad to hear that women do feel safe with you, but bear in mind that the connotations of "Animal House" are usually more negative than positive. Just my .02.
Thanks!

DeltaSigStan · #27 10-13-2002, 08:40 PM

Understood. Thanks.

Optimist Prime · #28 10-13-2002, 09:35 PM

Things always look better the day after. Good luck getting DeltaSig to top.

texas*princess · #29 10-14-2002, 09:25 PM

DeltaSigStan,
I'm glad to hear things worked out for ya

cash78mere · #30 10-14-2002, 09:47 PM

i wouldn't necessarily say you overreacted. i would also be obviously upset if the other houses had visible signs and you didn't. i'm glad you found the sign though and that everything is working out!!!