Why are we seeing this again? Wasn't last year enough?

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
Why do people have to hate?

OP,

I'd like to think that this is a case of stupidity, not hate. At least I hope so.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by DeltAlum


OP,

I'd like to think that this is a case of stupidity, not hate. At least I hope so.

Not only these incidents are cases of hatred and stupidity, it's also a case of what people think they can get away with. If a fraternity or anyone else were to do that BS on our campus they must have a DEATH WISH! On the other hand, there are campuses where this type of behavior and attitude is accepted.

[KappaTarzan]

i *think* the kappa bid day photo she's talking about is a picture of a bunch of Kappa Kappa Gamma girls posing in a very sexual manner, some with their shirts off but covering themselves.... i know that alot of the fraternity guys around here have it up in their houses...

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Dionysus


Not only these incidents are cases of hatred and stupidity, it's also a case of what people think they can get away with. If a fraternity or anyone else were to do that BS on our campus they must have a DEATH WISH! On the other hand, there are campuses where this type of behavior and attitude is accepted.

Dionysus,

Respectfully, if you mean that literally (I hope you don't), I would be more worried about your campus than this chapter's stupid members. Violence is almost never a good response.

I would also like to think that there is no university administration or student body where that attitude is "accepted." And, while I agree with 33girl that a prayer vigil is a little strange, it does appear that the Oklahoma State administration has taken this very seriously and responded to it.

Generally, being one who gives the benefit of the doubt, I still believe that this was an unthinking act of a very tiny minority in the chapter -- and that the chapter is sincere in their suspension and apology.

[navane]

Uhm...I want to know how they managed to get the picture taken. I mean, didn't *anyone* in the fraternity see them when they came downstairs or as they came through the door?? If my sisters walked in with a costume like that, my eyes would have popped out of my head and I would have prompty grabbed them by the arms and drug them into a private room to discuss the outfits. I most certainly would have had them removed from the party if they refused to take the costumes off. Surely these guys were walking around the party long enough for the photo opp.

Furthermore, *someone* scanned the pictures and put them up. That person didn't think "My, this isn't right. I shouldn't upload it to the net"? Obvously these folks aren't thinking.

I am a fair person though and, if I was a student at their campus, I would accept the apology. Especially if it is done in a sincere manner.

......Kelly

[Tom Earp]

I do not know if these are actions of Hate, But of Stupidity!

If it is of hate then they got their Just Rewards!

While we on GC see more than any of the Chapters from All of Our Organizations, there are many out there that know of none of the things that go on except the Chapters of The Organizations who did these insensitive actions!

These are stupid non thinking acts that are done with little regard to the feelings of others!

It is up to each and everyone of us when we can to pass along the thoughts and feelings of our Members of GC as I do to my Alums and Actives.

We all try to do the best we can and without an exception, the people on GC are the very best of the best!

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by navane
Furthermore, *someone* scanned the pictures and put them up. That person didn't think "My, this isn't right. I shouldn't upload it to the net"? Obvously these folks aren't thinking.

I think Navane's most important point is that obviously the first people who saw them, didn't put an immediate stop to the situation.

In terms of getting it on the web, there are companies who shoot pics of parties and post them on the web for sale.

As memory serves, that's how the chapters got in trouble last year also.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by DeltAlum


Dionysus,

Respectfully, if you mean that literally (I hope you don't), I would be more worried about your campus than this chapter's stupid members. Violence is almost never a good response.

I would also like to think that there is no university administration or student body where that attitude is "accepted." And, while I agree with 33girl that a prayer vigil is a little strange, it does appear that the Oklahoma State administration has taken this very seriously and responded to it.

I didn't mean death literally or even violence. However, if someone would to do something like that on our campus, no one would let them live it down and their charter might get pulled or suspended. My school is very PC and political.

[justamom]

Many university organizations are using a service called "Party Pics". They send a photographer to your party, he takes random pictures, puts them on the net and people order them. It's a wonderful opportunity since as a parent, I can see what the party was like and order the ones my daughter wants. (It takes a credit card or a money order) So, in most cases, it isn't an individual being so proud of their costume that they post it for all the world to see. Some GLOs are now using a password in order to look at the pics.

Last year at a campus party, a similar "costume" appeared. Never heard a word about it, I stumble upon it. Was it a matter of HATE? I really doubt it. Like Delt Alum suggests-stupidity. Add a healthy dose of immaturity and insensitivity to the mix and situations like this will occur. Is it WRONG? Yes, in the sense that it "reflects" racial attitudes that belong in the junk heap. However, I don't put it into the same classification as a hate crime.

[James]

The correct term may not be stupidity.

Its more like: social-nonchalance.

That is a situation where someone chooses to engage in an action without thinking of the possible ramifcations of other people viewing them.

Keep in mind that this would be a non-issue if those pics hadn't been posted on the web.

For those of you that would have manhandled them out of the room, well good for you, if you really would have done it.

Most people are non-confrontational to begin with. And if the situation was something they were unfamiliar with, it may not have prompted a strong emotional reaction in any of the brothers.

First, it was a holloween party. That gives a lot of latitude in dress.

Second, rewinding little bit, someone would have to see the costume, understand that it was not only in bad taste but trouble, and then have either enough personal authority or authority in office to go over and ask them to go change.

Which again requires them to get over their fears of confrontation.

Also, it may be easier for girls to get into each others business over clothing or whatever, but guys are definitely trained not to interfere.

And as the crowning argument, even had someone gotten up the gumption to ask them to leave, their pics may still have shown up on a web page!

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by James
The correct term may not be stupidity.

Its more like: social-nonchalance.

That is a situation where someone chooses to engage in an action without thinking of the possible ramifcations of other people viewing them.

While I generally agree with James on most posts, I have to take exception to a couple of points on this one:

Any partygoer could have been offended. The fact that the pictures were on the web only exacerbates the situation. Pictures could have ended up in the student newspaper -- or pretty much anywhere else. Or word of mouth around campus could have brought it to light.

Nobody would probably have manhandled anyone out of the room, but an officer, or even a good friend might have suggested that this was in poor taste and suggested that they change. That doesn't have to be all that confrontational. In the long (or short) run, the three (?) brothers in question would probably have appreciated the gesture.

Halloween does allow certain latitude in dress -- but standards of decency and taste should still apply.

Finally, while it is very possible that these brothers didn't realize all of the negative publicity and damage caused by the similar instances last year, there is still a matter of common sense involved here. They don't live in a vacuum. Is it a matter of maturity (or lack thereof)? Maybe. But it's now a very hard learned lesson for the brothers involved and their entire chapter.